[pjmlp]

Hence why I am a supporter that Apple and Microsoft keep pushing their sandboxing approaches, even with developers screaming along the way.

Eventually we will get it right, because Theo is right, normal people will just disable security, because it is an hassle on their eyes.

One just needs to search the online forums for people asking how to run as root on Mac OS X or Windows.

[mtgx]

Exactly why I hate the argument that goes along the lines of "if people disable it, they must not want security!" - or if people buy cheap phones, they must not want it either - and so on.

The people are not at fault, and they don't know about these things. When the security is bad, it's a design problem - therefore, it's the system/platform/app developer's fault (although app developers are much less at fault than the platform developers, since they can also only control what's given to them by the platform vendor).

[pjc50]

I think there's a slide to that effect in this presentation: that the development process involves upgrading the apps to the point at which the security can be made mandatory.

[davidgerard]

One of the most irritating things about Theo is that he keeps being right.