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by leroy_masochist 3874 days ago
Former investment banker here. This is a question I had when I hit the desk, and it's an important question.

The short answer to your question is: because most of the volume traded on exchanges is large blocks of stock being bought and sold by institutional investors, and you need humans to make these deals happen.

Longer explanation as follows:

On the trading floor [0], you have two groups of people: the sales team and the traders.

The sales team gets paid when they make markets, i.e., connect buyers and sellers. Specifically, the financial institution takes a fee that's a very small % of the overall transaction volume, and some of that goes into the sales team's bonus pool. The more stock trades flow through the firm (specifically, their business unit), the more they get paid.

The traders, on the other hand, gets paid to do two things, which are really the same thing: a) not put too much of the firm's capital at risk and b) set the firm up to make money by buying securities low and selling them high. Every trader has a "P&L" (profit & loss) number, which is the total amount of money they've made or lost for the firm since the start of the fiscal year. They get paid a bonus based on this number. They tend to know exactly what their number is at any given time.

So, there is actually a lot of tension on the trading floor between the sales team and the traders, because the sales team wants a lot of volume to go through their business unit, and any given trader wants to maximize her P&L.

Real world example might be: the sales dude gets a call from a hedge fund saying, "we want to sell $100mm of our shares in Alphabet at $720". He then shouts over to the trader (who sits close to him) to tell her about the call and she thinks for a couple seconds [1] and then says, "you need to make a market for 80mm of those shares at that price, I'm only taking 20mm."

In other words, the trader is saying that she'll only tie up $20mm of the firm's capital on this particular trade [2]. The sales person might come back and say, "c'mon, they took that $50mm of Microsoft stock you were trying to get rid of last quarter, we as a firm owe them a favor" to which the trader might respond, "OK, we'll take $30mm tops". So then the sales person will get on the phone and start calling everyone (other mutual / hedge funds, pension funds, etc) who might be interested in buying Alphabet at $720. Maybe the sales person makes it happen; maybe they don't. In any case, they need to figure out whether they can get 70 million dollars worth Alphabet stock pre-sold to other people in the market at $720 before they get back to the hedge fund trying to sell it with a response as to whether they can make the trade.

All of this involves MASSIVE HUMAN FACTORS. I'm sure we will one day be able to train AI to work through various constructs of "we owe them a favor" but right now you still need humans to get big trades like this done. And again, big trades like this constitute the majority of the overall volume in the market. So, that's why trades don't run entirely on algorithms...yet.

[0] I was in banking, not S&T, but have a decent understanding of how this works.

[1] Being able to make decisions of this magnitude in a couple of seconds (and have them be good ones) is one of the two skills you need to have as a trader; the other one is not letting the outcome of the last trade (good or bad) affect your thinking on the next trade.

[2] There is potential for both upside and downside in a decision like this; if the stock appreciates, the firm can profit by selling the stock at a higher price than it paid, but the reverse is also true. This is also an example of why "proprietary trading" is such a blurry line. In order to make markets for big trades, firms usually have to put their own capital at risk, even for a few minutes. At what point are they trading for their own profit vs. temporarily assuming risk in order to broker a deal between two counterparties? Go read Matt Levine's archived columns at Bloomberg if you find stuff like this interesting.

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So once the pre-sell is agreed on are orders made on the open market? Or do these deals take place outside of that?
No, the shares change hands between parties via the licensed broker-dealer. However, the trade is reported to the exchange assuming the stock is listed.

The key here is that Big Mutual Fund Inc. doesn't want to announce to the world that it's trying to sell a massive volume of shares; it wants to get the deal arranged quietly so that other people in the market don't trade the stock down in anticipation.

The price of the trade will be continually adjusted until the trade is executed. Usually the firm has an approved range to work within. If the price steps outside this range, many more phone calls will ensue.

I see, thanks!
This isn't trading though - it's playing middle man. You forgot to mention that the trader offering to buy $20mm of stock is sitting there looking at a screen telling him that real market makers are posting bids of $721 on the Nasdaq, etc. All the trader has to do is take the flow and offload the risk without moving the market such that he takes a loss.

I'm sure it's largely regulation that prevents these hedge funds from going straight to the market themselves and bypassing these "traders".

It's the same thing as exchanging currency in an airport. You see these big signs with large disparities between "Buying at" and "Selling at" for each currency pair. Very easy to make money like that as a currency swapper when you have the nearly-guaranteed hedge that is the massive FX spot market.

Any time you're buying something in order to sell it at a later time, you're trading; even if your ownership is for a few seconds.

> I'm sure it's largely regulation that prevents these hedge funds from going straight to the market themselves and bypassing these "traders".

No, it's the fact that hedge funds are not in the business of making markets. Sales teams create value because they maintain relationships with lots and lots of portfolio managers; if someone calls them up and says, "I want to buy A shares of M stock at or below X price" or "I want to sell B shares of N stock at or above Y price", they know who to call; if they're good at their job, they'll have good instincts as to who may be interested.

Additionally, if a hedge fund just went out and announced that it wanted to buy or sell a bunch of shares in a given stock at a given price, it would move the market in a direction that would be bad for a hedge fund. For this reason, most big funds not only go through third-party prime brokers, but spread their orders across multiple broker-dealers in order to minimize visibility on their trades before the fact.

"buying securities high and selling them low" - I assume that's a typo? Usually it's the other way around, unless you're trying to make a joke.
And what a typo it was! Fixed; thank you.
I learned more from this post than from all of the finance classes I took in school combined.