[Psyonic]

"I claim this piece of land for my own. Oh, look! There are people living on it already. I guess I get to enslave, rape, torture them."

Actually, you can say EXACTLY that. The very idea of private property is founded on that principle. When whoever it was originally decided some plot of land belonged to him, that's precisely what he said. All I would add to that statement is the clause, "Or they can get the hell out."

[pyre]

So you're claiming that if someone decides to enter my house, I can legally torture, rape and/or kill them?

[outotrai]

I think he's saying that if someone came into your house and said it was theirs, and had the ability to enforce that, it wouldn't be your house anymore. No, you can't ethically say "I claim this piece of land for my own. Oh, look! There are people living on it already. I guess I get to enslave, rape, torture them." But if ethics are not of any concern to you, then you can certainly say it and do it, and the land will then be yours.

[Psyonic]

Thanks outotrai. Couldn't have said it better myself.