[yourepowerless]

Again, how many times must the lie that voting counts be repeated, repeating it does not make it true.

Did voting matter in the 2000 presidential election, I recall the supreme Court decided who became president. If voting matters so much why do politicians spend the vast majority of time fund raising instead of interacting with their voters?

Have you even looked at gerrymandering? You believe voting in those districts matters? Oh we should spend our time in long and arcane primary votes? Who has the time besides the retired?

The government hands out social welfare(especially to the old) like Caesar gave out grain to appease the majority and ensure they will retain power.

Meanwhile our country jails about 1% of the population and denies felons from voting.

But please keep repeating that voting counts (SHOUT IT IN ALL CAPS EVEN!), if only you could actually explain how or give any argument for it beyond your insistence that it is true.

Obama taught constitutional law, the guy who signs off on killing Americans and is a torture apologist. Voting does not work and is a waste of time, if anything voting continues to provide a false legitimacy to an illegitimate system.

[elipsey]

I totally agree in general, but I'm not sure anymore whether gerrymandering is unequivically evil. There are lots of apparently "unfair" ways to do apportionment, but finding a perfect one is sort of harder than it looks at first glance.

For anyone who missed this, here is a post by the instructor of an MIT class that teaches gerrymandering (how, not what!):

http://mitesp.tumblr.com/post/130793404248/how-i-teach-gerry...

[Balgair]

Woah, I mean I gave you an example of when voting really did count over everything else. And if you don't have the time to go out and stump for a candidate or run yourself, then you get the government you deserve.

[chimeracoder]

> And if you don't have the time to go out and stump for a candidate or run yourself

This is one model of government. But think about the people for whom this model works and the people for whom this model means that government is all but completely inaccessible.

Saying 'it's up to you to fix it' is one thing when you're talking to a person who already has time, money, and influence. It's quite another when you're talking to people who don't have any of those three things - quite honestly, the people whom government is currently failing the most.

[vlehto]

The other two options are armed rebellion and moving out of U.S.

These people probably don't have time, money or influence to do these things either.