[justthistime_]

    So what, in the above "wall of text", is wrong about 
    Scala or Kotlin?

Maybe just check the responses from the last fifteen dozen times? It's not that hard.

    You're not telling what was incorrect, just that the 
    author is _always_ incorrect, which strikes me as 
    hyperbole.

I'm not telling anything. The Scala and Ceylon designers did. They probably know better than me, or him.

[pron]

You may have accidentally confused the characters. It wasn't me who was told by Scala's designer my facts were wrong (that never happened; well, I'm sure I've got many facts wrong in my lifetime, but Martin Odersky has never called me out on any), but you, and only 3 days ago. Not only did he find you wrong but also rude, and as someone who actually tries to correct a true inaccuracy, he pointed out quite specifically (though very politely) what you got wrong[1] rather than just yelling FUD as some other people do whenever someone voices an opinion they don't like to hear. BTW, I can attest to modersky's statement, as I personally witnessed him and Andrey Breslav talking and exchanging ideas on more than one occasion.

As to gavinking, well, he and I have rarely seen eye to eye, but he, too, hasn't pointed to a factual error on my part. Now, you can make an original contribution to this discussion or not, but you should stop with the personal attacks.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10480284

[justthistime__]

  As the Scala tech lead, I'm glad to learn we've finally 
  adopted "almost every new PL concept!" I guess by now 
  everyone will recognize your username and adjust for bias 
  accordingly, but still, how about sticking to the facts?

[pron]

Sigh. No wrong facts. He (not the language's designer, BTW) just didn't like my use of (obvious) hyperbole. In any case, I really suggest you drop this. I am not an enemy of Scala. Unlike adriaanm's assertion (and that is a false statement of fact), I am not even biased against it. I was an early enthusiast, I gave it a very serious try, and I just really didn't like it. Yes, I think it is not a good language for use by the industry. I am not uninformed, I am not wrong, I have just reached different conclusions from you. So what? I, like many others, just don't like the language, and we all have very valid reasons to, just as those who do like it have their own equally valid reasons. Do you know how many people don't like the languages I like? You know how many of them find those languages unfit for use by the industry? And many of them are much more hostile in their objections than I've ever been. However, they, too, have very good reasons not to like them, while I have very good reasons of my own. If you go on a personal attack against anyone who doesn't like the things you like, it won't serve your goals in the least.

In any case, I don't mind arguing over language design (politely!) with you or anyone else, and I realize full well (as should you) that it can sometimes be a very personal preference with no wrong or right answers -- just many opinions, many of them valid -- but please keep to the subject and be original.

[EdwardDiego]

> Maybe just check the responses from the last fifteen dozen times? It's not that hard.

So you have no valid criticism of the present statement then? Good to know.