[andreyf]

It's curious to see Guantanamo Bay mentioned by name. I wonder if one of the reasons we're having trouble closing it is because the psychological health of the inmates has deteriorated to a state which so obviously violates ethical guidelines on prisoner treatment and perhaps even human experimentation.

[joesmo]

You think the authorities tortured these people so bad that their only recourse is to wait for them to die / kill them all before closing to hide the evidence?

I wouldn't be surprised.

[andreyf]

I wouldn't use the word "torture", as there is a big distinction between the work psychiatrists at Guantanamo did and physical torture, even if the two overlapped (e.g. drown the person and then revive them for some psychological objective). I can imagine how the physical techniques used in "enhanced interrogation" might actually not be the most morally abhorrent ones.

[greglindahl]

The definition of "torture" you're using isn't a good one.

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture#Definitions

The UN Convention Against Torture, the first example in that section, doesn't make the distinction you're making.

[andreyf]

Thanks for linking that. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

While some of the things done to Guantanamo detainees qualify as "torture" under the UN definition (e.g. waterboarding), I can imagine a smart and determined psychiatrist working around that definition of torture and yet leaving a person in a psychological state which makes clear the immense immorality of their work.

In other words, there exists a set of "enhanced interrogations" that are not technically torture (in the way that waterboarding is), but that are still morally abhorrent and would likely be prohibited if revealed.

[rhizome]

It's all part and parcel. Psychiatry and psychology are used continually; the physical stuff is intermittent.

[joesmo]

I wasn't just referring to the psychiatrists, but to the authorities in general, and torture is the only word to describe what's happening there.