[Rumford]

Point taken, and I'm glad you see the merit in the discussion about what things the state has any right to do. After all, sometimes trespassing is the right thing to do. I certainly hope the fire department doesn't wait to be invited if they notice my house is burning down!

I guess I'm just extremely certain that after studying the lineage of a ban like this, one would discover that no, it really isn't necessary. Maybe I'll go test that hypothesis later.

[mikeash]

I think you're right that these laws aren't necessary. But I still think it's important to understand them before declaring them to be such. I have a hard time understanding how you can declare yourself to be "extremely certain" of something before you've gone out and obtained the information. It's supposed to be the other way around!

[Rumford]

Past experience makes me pretty confident of what I'll find this time.