[bad_user]

> It's all about the right tool for the right job for the right man.

Oh, come on. Give me an instance where PHP is the right tool.

This argument is so overused that I don't even know what it means anymore.

And no, shared hosting doesn't count. My personal hosting plan costs something like $10 a month and I can choose between PHP, Python, Perl and Ruby (with Ruby it is more difficult, since I have to ask the sysadmin to add a couple of Mongrel instances for me). But mod_perl and mod_wsgi are there by default.

> <p>Hello <b>Martin</b></p>

Dude, that doesn't have any PHP code in it. To make this dynamic, you still have to have some way of authenticating and storing info about users. And you'll also want some way to edit those users.

Do you know how easy it is to create a simple CMS in Django, with authentication, and a functional admin? ... it takes only a couple of hours to a beginner that never worked with Python or Django before (yes, I saw one in action).

When PHP appeared, it made sense since Perl was the only game in town, and it was a bitch. But things have evolved a lot since then (even for Perl). For me, PHP doesn't make any sense.

[jawngee]

> <p>Hello <b>Martin</b></p>

Dude, that doesn't have any PHP code in it. To make this dynamic, you still have to have some way of authenticating and storing info about users. And you'll also want some way to edit those users.

Dude, he was saying they could add personalization to the page.

[Jach]

> Do you know how easy it is to create a simple CMS in Django, with authentication, and a functional admin?

Frameworks have their place. PHP has a number of frameworks that can also make this claim. I would say raw PHP fits nicely where frameworks don't.

And <p>Hello <b><?php echo $_SESSION['first_name']; ?></b>!</p>. Populate SESSION however you like, whether it's from a database or a simple form submission.

[randallsquared]

> Oh, come on. Give me an instance where PHP is the right tool.

Even today, if you have a lot of HTML, and you want to add just a little bit of dynamic functionality to it, PHP is easy and fast.

[jrockway]

But so is JSP, ASP, Mason, etc.

[randallsquared]

ASP, I'll agree; it occupies the "PHP" slot in Win32. JSP and Mason are far less likely to be available on a given server, and JSP requires a separate server to be running in addition to the webserver (tomcat or whatever).

[jrockway]

With the declining popularity of Apache as the frontend server, I think PHP will have this problem in the future. Eventually everything will just be a FasgCGI handler. (PHP does FastCGI just fine, but so does Python/WSGI, Ruby/Rack, Perl/Plack, etc.)