[planfaster]

Here's some criticism for you: if this is not a cult, why did they lie about the "97% of scientists" consensus?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023034803045795784...

"Yet the assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction. The so-called consensus comes from a handful of surveys and abstract-counting exercises that have been contradicted by more reliable research."

If it's Science, why the lies? And why the push for government intervention? I thought Science was about reality, not policy.

[dang]

Please stop taking HN threads on generic ideological tangents. You've been doing this a ton, and it's not what this site is for.

In fact, there's little that's worse for HN. Such tangents are predictable, which makes them tedious, and tendentious, which makes them prolific. Tedious plus prolific equals sludge. Moreover, such discussions only get worse as they proceed, never better.

[mikeash]

How am I supposed to take seriously an article which believes a survey of meteorologists is in any way relevant to a claim about the opinions of climate scientists?

If climate "skeptics" aren't completely full of it, why do they constantly mix up climate and weather and otherwise constantly demonstrate fundamental misunderstandings of the topic?