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Yes! Kotlin and Ceylon are both really interesting, as attempts to judiciously add and remove features to/from Java, to produce something recognisable, and easy for the unwashed masses (ie me) to pick up, but still much better.

My only concern is that they don't have much depth of community or history yet. That can be a very interesting and rewarding time to pick up a language, but it can also be a drag on actually getting things done.

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True. Then again, that code that your IDE generated for 10 year old Java doesn't really have a community that refreshes it either, and it sits there in your VCS, and takes up space in code reviews etc.