[whyever]

> Personally, given, I like how Go has things like channels, but I would never adopt a programming language for just one specific feature when I lose out on other features that are valuable to me, for instance, an object model.

That really depends on your requirements. If you need multithreading (not multiprocessing), you cannot use Python.

[dec0dedab0de]

That really depends on your requirements. If you need multithreading (not multiprocessing), you cannot use Python.

About to show my ignorance, but when is multithreading useful when multiprocessing is not? Assuming it is a use case that is suited for a high level dynamic language to begin with.

[whyever]

Multithreading lets you share memory. Multiprocessing requires you to serialize your data and copy it to the other processes. That can be very expensive.

This only matters for performance-critical applications.

[Consultant32452]

Let's say you have a REST request come in. In order to fulfill that request you need to make 10 REST requests of your own to various back-end systems. If you can make some of those requests asynchronously you'll greatly reduce your response time. While I suppose you could mangle your way through it multi-process, it seems like a bastardization of the model.

[falcolas]

If you're just sending HTTP requests, regular threading in Python works fine - waiting for a socket response doesn't block the execution of other threads.

Python threads are real threads, and things like blocking socket IO does not block Python execution in other threads.

[dec0dedab0de]

While I suppose you could mangle your way through it multi-process, it seems like a bastardization of the model.

That kind of sounds like you're nitpicking over an implementation detail. Which brings me back to my original confusion. If I have an interface that allows me to articulate concurrent tasks, I don't see the difference between threads, processes, or separate machines.

Again, this is assuming we're not in a resource constrained environment, and we're not doing something so processor heavy that it really should be compiled.

[dyladan]

Think I'd rather use asyncio in this case. Assuming most recent Python might not be fair though I guess.

[kmike84]

It looks like a job for an event loop (tornado/twisted/asyncio), not for a thread pool.

[dragonwriter]

> If you need multithreading (not multiprocessing), you cannot use Python.

If you need multithreading of Python code for parallelism, you cannot use CPython (and, consequently, can't use Python 3.)

Both IronPython and Jython use native threads without a GIL.

[kintamanimatt]

The GIL only restricts utilization of multiple cores. This makes parallelism harder but not concurrency. Python fully supports threads, but you won't find two threads in the same process running at the same time.

[falcolas]

Small clarification - you will if they are down in C code. i.e. you can have multiple threads in Python blocking on IO just fine. Or three threads concurrently running C code which releases the GIL until it needs to be re-acquired. Quite a few standard libraries which require significant processing power do exactly this.

[khyryk]

I think you're right, but on a related topic, I've yet to find something that works as easily as Go's select statement in Python.