[brokenhope]

I do respect other people, I am HUMAN first of all and pray for all people to find the right path. But can not respect people who do not respect their selfs. Although I do respect people who thinks they came from monkeys, it becomes very funny when they claim other people ANIMAL and their self HUMANs.

[pavornyoh]

>But can not respect people who do not respect their selfs.

Based on the above comment, if you don't respect a VC/Angel, why would you be interested in taking their money? It seems to me that is the kind of relationship that is doomed from the get go.

[brokenhope]

After learning can not get for sure, money is just a tool. But wanted to learn from other people by hoping to get some advice about alternatives.

[pavornyoh]

Ok. If your goal is to get advice on alternative funding then you should change the title of the thread and be a bit more open about your goals to get good feedback. Reason being, people on here can make alternative suggestions and if those alternatives are also not respectful to your religion then you'd be in the same boat.

EDIT: I see you changed the title a bit and glad the feedback helped. If you don't mind, you should add where you are as there are people from different countries on the board. Also, you should give a bit of an insight to what you are doing but it is entirely up to you..

[orionblastar]

I used my experience to show how I was treated. I see I was downvoted. For example Christianity is criticized for not supporting Evolution, well at least Fundamentalism Christianity still believes in Creationism. Some forms of Christianity believe in Evolution.

When you say you respect people who think they came from monkeys, well monkeys and Human Beings are modern creations in evolution and had a 'missing link' that was common that branched one way and then branched another way. Both monkeys and Human Beings evolved from a common ancestor some millions of years ago etc. It isn't correct to say Human beings evolved from Monkeys, but it is correct to say Human Beings and Monkeys evolved from a common ancestor that was a mammal.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/02/darwin-never...

Understanding Evolution better would help you understand the people who believe in it. They don't for example claim other human beings are animals, but that human beings evolved from other forms of life on the planet.

Let me link to Khan Academy: https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-an...

I see now that you are from another nation, in the USA and in the west there has been a movement away from religion and into atheism or at least non-practicing religions in the youth. That means some of them criticize any religion including yours for example. Many give up religion in order to focus on their careers or just don't see any evidence of God, etc and lose faith.

You will find all sorts of VCs out there, if you think they won't respect you because of your religion, you don't have to take their money and can find a different VC.

All human beings are equal under the laws in the USA, and we have free speech here were someone can say something that offends you and they have freedom of speech to say it. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them or even like them. Social Media brings this out and people say stuff that they later regret.

A good VC should follow public relations and not speak ill of any group of people. Not be biased in any way. But people speak their opinions on the Internet and sometimes say things that offend others.

[drugsAreBad0001]

First off, it's incredibly arrogant to say you pray for people to "find the right path", and incredibly disrespectful. That's completely disrespectful. Not to mention the insult to atheists, it's completely ridiculous.

Please tell the VC that you don't want their money, since obviously you're too proud to to business.

[orionblastar]

Keep in mind that this is a person in a foreign nation that has a different culture, law, society, and way of life that has lead to a religion that prays for others to find their own path. They do not mean to insult atheists, but they have to learn about western culture, western society, and the fact that not everyone here is religious.

I studied global management and international business, and it is hard to fit into a new nation with different people who believe or don't believe different stuff. It would be just as hard for an atheist to fit into his nation, as he has trying to fit into our nation. Remember that this is happening globally as other nations get into tech startups and they aren't aware that they are offending people. It takes some getting used to and you have to forgive him because he is new to our culture and way of life. He has to make some changes to adapt and fit in.

He seems to have a difficult time understanding Evolution, said something like humans evolved from monkeys, some people think other humans are animals. It seems to be some sort of misunderstanding. Maybe in his country they don't teach evolution but something else? He seems to lack understanding of western culture and science, and I think we should help him out.

But I agree his words do insult atheists, but he doesn't mean to insult anyone, he doesn't know any better because he might never have met an atheist before. He hasn't learned how to phrase his words to be more accepting of others who don't share his belief system. He is still learning English and I think we should help him understand that praying for an atheist is an insult to an atheist, and might lead to a series of conflicts.

Our culture and nation is a bit alien to him, and he's still trying to learn it. Got some myths about Evolution he needs to work out. Needs to learn how to get along with others who don't share his religious beliefs. Needs to learn how to phrase his words better to avoid offending people.

Who knows, he could be the Steve Jobs of his nation and not be ready for it yet. I recall Steve Jobs followed Buddhism that believed people should find their own path, I recall Steve Jobs struggling in 1985 and leaving Apple to start over again. Steve Jobs had to learn from his failures to get back with Apple in order to save it. So too must this person learn form their failures and mistakes to fit into western culture and get along with atheists, etc.

[mieses]

I've heard taxi drivers at the gas station engaged in intense debate on this issue. Atheism, as you stated, is a belief system. The existence of God can't be disproven. There have been mathematical proofs to that effect. The entire atheist position is based on faith in something that cannot be proven. So what is the underlying motivation of atheism? It might simply be pleasure derived from offending stupid religious people. So offending atheists in return seems to be fair. Anyways, that's the gist of the taxi driver conversation I overheard.

[eivarv]

Nitpick: Atheism is not a belief system.

The term denotes the lack of belief in deities, and exactly this and nothing else. This also means that it is not based on "faith" at all, as it does not posit any assumptions.

Humanism, on the other hand, can be described as a belief system.

Not to start the ball rolling in a religious debate or anything.

[mieses]

The goal of not positing assumptions is impossible and completely discarded by New Atheists and most taxi drivers.

[eivarv]

I'm not saying that atheists don't personally make assumptions, but that atheism does not.

I'm saying that the claim that atheism is a "belief system" that makes the same kinds of assumptions as religions is intellectually dishonest at best.

This is my point:

There is a difference between a belief that something does not exist (what you're talking about, and a false equivalence), and a lack of belief in that same something (what the term actually means).

Also, not all assumptions are equal: neither "New" Atheists nor taxi drivers go around believing every assumption they hear that has not been disproven.

[drugsAreBad0001]

Yours is a common misconception, but atheism is absolutely a belief system.

"I don't believe in god" is not the same as "I believe god doesn't exist".

The latter statement is of atheists. As an agnostic, I think agnosticism is the only actual "lack" of a belief system, since I don't hold a belief either way (for/against god's existence).

[eivarv]

Yours is, in fact, the misconception; I suggest you check your references. The ones I found [1-3] state that the term may be used to describe both stances. When using the it in this kind of broad sense, I think it makes sense to try to be inclusive (as we are generalizing, after all).

I've touched upon this in a reply, but atheism asserts the former - not the latter.

Additionally, atheism itself does not posit any assumptions, so I don't understand what this alleged system of beliefs would consist of. I'd really like to hear a sound argument for the assertion that it is, though.

Atheism is not an alternative to religion, so much as a rejection of religious claims – absence of belief. It might, for instance, be formulated in one personal case as something like "These claims are dubious and unsubstantiated, so I see no reason to believe in them."

This would be an atheist concluding that they do not believe in (a) god, by way of atheism (the lack of belief).

A tired analogy would be that of a lack of belief in unicorns or pixies; neither of which would constitute a "belief system".

Agnosticism states [4-6] that it is unknown (and perhaps unknowable) whether or not the supernatural exists – so one could argue that agnosticism is not really a lack of a belief system, but a lack of taking a stance or excluding any supposition.

In my own case, I'm an agnostic atheist – in the sense that I don't think that many religious claims can be tested (by their nature). I also don't think that this is a sign of a good argument, or that they should therefore be taken at face value.

[1]: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/atheism

[2]: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism

[3]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atheism

[4]: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/agnosti...

[5]: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnosticism

[6]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/agnosticism

[RogerL]

Utter nonsense. It is the lack of belief in something without evidence. You don't believe I have a full grown elephant in my pants pocket because it is a dubious claim with no evidence. That doesn't make it a belief - it's a lack of belief. It's a rational stand that you would revise instantly if I were to pull an elephant out of my pocket. That's entirely different from believing/asserting something to be true in the absence of evidence.

[brokenhope]

I wish you were not insulting me couple of times and being arrogant. Anyhow lets focus on more VC side of things and alternatives like who are the best known VCs/angels who belives in coexist?

[brokenhope]

I already said before that I am respectful to all Human beings so I hope there is no misunderstanding over there and apologize if i sounded the other way around. In terms of what i believe praying for other people is a result of respect and i do belive you will respect what i believe. Matter fact that you were true about being arragont in terms of what i belive, i should be saying only God can change things and we can only ask for it, once again those are in terms of what i do belive with all respect to others.

[orionblastar]

I understand that you are still learning. I want to help you out. Not everyone in the western society is religious, some are even atheists who don't believe in God or praying. They see your words as offensive to them, even if you don't understand why.

An atheist doesn't want you to pray for them as they find it offensive. Atheists think instead of pray. They hold people in their thoughts instead of praying for them.

I know that you are trying to adapt and be respectful. That you believe praying for people is respectful. I respect your religion, but you must be careful around people in how you use your words. In the West there are a lot of different types of people to deal with and you have to learn what offends them and try to avoid it.

Just as you hold beliefs, an atheist has different beliefs. They don't believe in God or prayer, they believe in nature and the universe. They are often materialists and skeptics, who don't believe in a super natural or spiritual world. They don't see any scientific evidence for God, for example, and believe in Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, that the universe created itself, etc. You have to respect those beliefs just as much as you respect your own.

Diversity is a good thing, because it means different people think and observe in different ways and can find problems when nobody else can and fix them before they happen.