[crdoconnor]

>Obama came into office with the same idea

Obama's ideas were never made very clear during his campaign. It was all "hope" and "change" and not a whole lot on policy specifics.

He then went and implemented the same neoliberal bullshit that George Bush pushed with a slightly different flavor.

[qrendel]

And that's a big part of what makes me continue to support Lessig over Sanders. Remembering how great Obama sounded in 2008, and seeing how that turned out, I give it a very high chance Sanders would be exactly the same.

Now we have a Nobel peace price winning president who regularly orders extrajudicial assassinations and prosecutes anyone blowing the whistle on the runaway national security/military-industrial complexes. So much for "the most transparent administration in history," the guy who was going to close Gitmo and stop the serial wars all across the Middle East.

[crdoconnor]

>And that's a big part of what makes me continue to support Lessig over Sanders. Remembering how great Obama sounded in 2008, and seeing how that turned out, I give it a very high chance Sanders would be exactly the same.

They're not the same at all. Sanders has a long history in Congress. Obama was a junior first term senator. Sanders is very specific about what he'll do. Obama was deliberately vague.

[hga]

Indeed. Look how Obama moved from a strong and repeated "if you like your guns, you can keep your guns", and previously as a Senator even voted for the bill putting heavy, direct penalties on Katrina style mass confiscations, to this month calling for ... mass nationwide confiscations of all handguns and semi-auto long guns, which Hillary! echoed in the debate.

Not sure if Sanders has changed here, he's not as viciously anti-gun, he's changed his language recently but, not, based on what I was just able to dig up, his real positions.