[ioanpopovici]

We are not talking about other corporations here so please don't generalize. I hate it when this happens. We are talking about VW not the meat industry or Chevron who by the way distroyed almost single handed a large portion of the amazon. VW did something wrong, people got hurt, they were exposed and there is sufficient evidence. Just because someone else is doing it does not mean that they should get away with it. And by sheep I mean that we are just ignorant about the bigger picture here.

If VW will emerge out of this relatively unscathed it will create a dangerous precedent and the and the auto industry will have learned nothing. Personally I try to do the right thing, like trying not buying gas provided by BP or Chevron if possible and I can tell you rigth now that my next car will not be a VW.

[skimpycompiler]

Why is generalization something you hate? Your objections stand but just because VW is caught at doing something wrong it doesn't make it any different.

Owning a car kills people indirectly, be it VW or not. Yes they deceived with a purpose but people accept the direct and indirect deception, be it in eating meat, or driving botched/normal cars. This is always the way it is.

One can have so many conflicting opinions and attitudes inside one's head, one can be mad about VW but not mad about the highly subsidised food industry, or transportation industry in large.

It's just the way it is. Yes, as you've said, almost everyone is ignorant about the bigger picture.

I was just trying to say that by looking at everything else I'm not at all surprised/shocked/disappointed with people's behavior. It's the way people are, and it always was as it is today, it might sound fairly pessimistic, but an average person needs a car to travel around quicker, needs meat to nurture their palate, needs heating to avoid the inconvenience of dressing several layers of clothes in their home. Given all of these entirely personal, individual, selfish needs it is no surprising at all that the majority doesn't care / see the bigger picture.

[ioanpopovici]

Ok I get it now... You are saying that this is a normal reaction given the current circumstances. But still... a human life can't be measured in money and yet they routinely calculate and assign a value to it like it is livestock. All this misery just for making more profit. It's disgusting and it fills me with rage. Ok we need to eat and we need transportation but we can also choose what to eat and what vehicle to drive. If are made aware of a vehicle (in this case) that causes harm to others and we do nothing then we are no different from the company that produced that vehicles with full knowledge of what they where doing and we have no right to complain.

I am not fooling myself, i know this is our 'reality' but people act sometimes with great selflessness. I refuse to think that we can't rise above our selfish needs.