[andzt]

TBH, I still haven't had great luck with their pants. They just don't fit well, even trying several different configuration options.

On the other hand, their dress shirts are very high quality and fit (me) extremely well. They get me every time there is a sale on their dress shirts (like today).

I think the real difficulty with these business models is that the sizing numbers vary WILDLY across retailers, so there's a lack of consumer confidence when shopping - even with free shipping and returns. A 34x34 pant is not the same at J Crew, Banana or Bonobos. There are several other measures that impact the fit dramatically, of which the average consumer is not aware.

[zeveb]

> I think the real difficulty with these business models is that the sizing numbers vary WILDLY across retailers

You're right, and the crazy thing is that men's[1] sizes should be completely bog-standard: they're supposed to be lengths in inches. There's no reason why I wear anything from a 29" to a 32" long pair of trousers, depending on the manufacturer.

I'm well aware that ready-to-wear will never fit as well as tailored; that's fine. But there's no good reason for lengths to vary so wildly.

[1] Women's clothing is different, because women's proportions have a much higher variance than men's.

[craigching]

  > their dress shirts are very high quality and fit (me) extremely well

Yep, I'll back that up. I haven't tried any pants, but all the shirts I've bought from Bonobos fit me really well. I'm not a "slim fit" guy, so I really appreciate their shirts.