[suryon]

To those that believe that US system is rotten and ineffective and think that Chinese are doing something right because they are Chinese I can tell you only one thing. NEVER TRUST A COMMUNIST REGIME.

Even if you compare millionaires to millionaires the quality of life in China is far worse than in the USA. Never trust a communist propaganda. Never ever do that. The gov and chinese in general are known for trying to save face at every occasion and will fabricate anything that can benefit them.

If USA and UK is so bad then why thousands of Chinese are trying to immigrate there ? In Communist regime even if you are good and talented you will become a property of the state and they will use you for their benefit. Do not expect a good quality life but constant abuse for more propaganda and mind control.

No wonder that massive amount of people of Hong Kong are requesting british passports. Because in China you are nothing more than a property of a regime.

[dang]

Please do not take HN threads on ideological flamewar tangents.

[tormeh]

Ahahaha! China is not the Soviet Union. It's a capitalist society like almost anywhere else, and I'm positive that being rich in China rocks (apart from the air pollution).

[spacecowboy_lon]

Or getting caught in a clamp down and being put in front of a firing squad to "Pour encourjay lays ortras" As the Late Terry Pratchett put it.

[suryon]

Then you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. And the air pollution in China is something you can't imagine. The VW scandal is nothing compared to chinese air pollution.

And China is far worse than the former Soviet Union because they have more money and more control. Being lower class in China is far worse than in former states of the soviet union.

[Tinyyy]

You talk a whole lot, but you've never addressed his point that "it would rock being rich in China". (I am not taking a side).

[suryon]

Being rich does not guarantee that you will have a good life anywhere. There are numerous other things you have to consider. Yes a rich man can buy a big land for himself and build a wall to keep the beggars outside. He can even move to the countryside and never go out or use a private jets / helicopters.

The thing is that China is a home for a lot of people and is too polluted and crowded because of wealth distribution. If people do not care about the environment, intellectual property and a countless of other things then being rich and filthy rich are too different things.

A wealthy man can walk the streets of european/american cities without worrying too much about its health or not having a space for himself without guards. Do not forget that european / us cities are dwarves compared to Asia in general.

The movie Elysium is a good picture (maybe too exaggerated but hey) of people being wealthy in China.

Yes you can have a good life in a golden cage but it's still a cage.

[olalonde]

Compared to the US, China has a lot less of both violent crime and beggars. I'm sorry but it seems you don't know what you are talking about.

[suryon]

First of all you know nothing about me and that's fine.

Second just because you live in Hong Kong or Shenzhen it does not mean you know anything about China. Especially these 2 do not reflect anything at all about China. And that is fine that might be the reason why have you chosen them and not the other places in China.

Third. You do not seem to speak the Chinese language.

Fourth. Just because you have a positive prejudice towards China does not mean you are right.

Fifth. If you would know something about authoritarian regimes and especially China or NK you would know that hiding and punishing beggars is a common practice to save face.

Sixth. Please educate me how country of 1.3bn has a lot less beggars and violent crimes than US a country of 320m.

Seventh. If you have never lived in a communist country you surely can't be aware of propaganda and hiding of crimes. Ask some chinese friends of yours how hiding crimes, especially the violent ones goes in China. How it was in every communist state. You will be surprised.

Eighth. I understand you like China/Chinese more than Americans but do not close your eyes before the crimes of these regimes I am begging you. For all of those that died and suffered in gulags

Ninth. I recommend you to visit countryside and especially the northern region if you have the balls.

[Tinyyy]

You know what? That's a pretty reasonable argument, and I agree with it.

[philsalesses]

hahaha Have you ever lived there to have any sort of clue what you're talking about? Jeeze, I love the Internet sometimes.

[dang]

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[legulere]

Good then that China is an autocratic capitalist country and not communist.

[Grue3]

Ah, the good old No True Scotsman.

[legulere]

China today has nothing to do with communism. If you talk about the cultural revolution and communism that's fine with me. But there's nothing really left in China that you could call communist.

[suryon]

Yeah autocratic capitalist country my ass. Did you get your pills today ? There is not a true communist state in the world. Not even DPRK. But China after DPRK has the most communist traits. It's ugly regime and if you have never been there or did business with them you have no clue what you are talking about. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

[dang]

> Yeah autocratic capitalist country my ass. Did you get your pills today?

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[sjckey3c]

I'm a chinese. I think most of what you said is right. The gov achieved a lot of success. At the same time, they made lots of mistakes and commited lots of crimes.

[suryon]

Thanks for commenting. I hope you did not get from my comment above that I have a negative opinion about chinese people in general.

It's quiet the opposite in fact. People of China have achieved a lot but I am afraid too many of chinese people had to and still have to suffer and distribution of wealth in China is worse than in the other parts of the earth.

[echevil]

A bogus claim like this is no better than any communist propaganda at all

[miochat]

What? You mean the People's Republic of Capitalism?