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by Zikes 3915 days ago
I don't get it. How does disliking a butterfly logo equate to hating women?
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It doesn't. The logo is more childish than it is feminine anyways.
Discouraging misogyny doesn't mean feminine.
But in this context (a rather garish butterfly logo), what does it mean?
Not overtly masculine? I can imagine the temptation was there for some to promote an overly aggressive logo.
The idea that masculinity is akin to misogyny is as dangerous and harmful as misogyny itself. As is the idea that aggression is a purely masculine trait, or that any of the traits Larry listed are exclusively feminine.
Larry didn't say it should be feminine, nor did he imply it. He also didn't say masculinity is misogyny. At most he called for something androgynous. I think to interpret his statements otherwise is projecting.

> As is the idea that aggression is a purely masculine trait

I didn't say it was a purely masculine trait, but to ignore the clear association between masculinity and aggression in many cultures is to ignore reality. There are many social, economic and (possibly) evolutionary reasons why men are often more aggressive than women. Couple this with the relative involvement of women in CS and programming positions, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that aggression in our industry can be seen as overly masculine.

Yup, shrinkable to graphical icon is an exclusively masculine trick, that's for sure.
That's pretty much the intention. I have heard Larry Wall say that Camelia was created to appeal to 7 year old girls. I didn't hear him go into any complicated discussions regarding masculinity/femininity or any of that jazz.