[tbrownaw]

But despite the piled-on bogosity, it still achieves some measure of incremental development. And because of this, it also achieve some measure of flexibility.

Which are two of the main benefits of Agile (the third being efficiency due to process refinement).

So as far as enterprisey stuff goes, it's really not that (relatively) bad.

[justinkramp]

You're right, it's not that bad from a delivery perspective. We're getting some stuff faster than before. To some degree my frustration is in the semantics. It does get practical when bringing someone onboard who has worked in a traditional Agile shop and it's like re-learning everything to figure out what we're doing.