[threeseed]

I agree it is their weakest product launch. However there are a number of innovations e.g. digital crown, force touch, haptic feedback and the excellent Fitness capabilities that do put in far ahead of the competition in day to day usability. It's really the software that is letting it down. And I don't know if you have seen a Moto 360/Huawei Watch in person but they are ridiculously large and tacky. They are nothing like a normal watch you would see around especially not for females which the Apple Watch's smaller size is an excellent match for.

[Someone1234]

> And I don't know if you have seen a Moto 360/Huawei Watch in person but they are ridiculously large and tacky.

I have. The 360 looks like a traditional watch, and the Apple Watch looks far bigger[0], and unusual. Have you seen them in real life? We have people in the building who own the 360 and others with the Apple Watch, I see them daily. The Apple Watch stands out as being a "box on the wrist" the 360 is invisible unless brought up or shown off.

> However there are a number of innovations e.g. digital crown, force touch, haptic feedback and the excellent Fitness capabilities that do put in far ahead of the competition in day to day usability.

This is so typical of Apple fans. Ignore everything on the market then claim Apple innovated/created every major product feature. Almost everything on your list pre-existed ahead of the Apple Watch announcement (let alone launch).

The crown is a watch feature which is over fifty years old. It has appeared on digital watches for at least twenty years before Apple "invented it." I myself owned a digital watch in the mid 1990s with a crown (which allowed you to set the time, change the date, etc all on a completely digital watch).

Apple was not the first watch to contain a vibrator ("haptic feedback"), IBM and Citizen Watch created the horrifying "WatchPad" in 2000(!) which had it. Since then many (most?) smartwatches have contained it as standard. It is absurd to call it an Apple innovation for a product released in 2015.

It is laughable to point at the fitness stuff. Even stepping away from smartwatches for a second, there is an entire market of fitness trackers around, many of which have incredible usability and are extremely popular. Fitbit, Garmin, iFit, heck even Microsoft have been producing products in this field for literally years ahead. Then there is the smartwatch competition from Samsung, LG, Garmin, Moto, etc all have fitness tracking capabilities.

It is like you either haven't been following technology at all or are just trolling. There's no other explanation for anyone claiming that Apple "innovated" most of the stuff on your list. I half expected you to claim that Apple invented the LCD screen on a smartwatch, or the wrist strap, it would be no more absurd than your other claims...

[0] http://www.modernhoot.com/372/moto-360-and-apple-watch-side-...

[threeseed]

I have no idea what you are ranting on about here. I never said Apple invented the concept of a crown nor haptic feedback. That's just ridiculous. In fact many of their features are not true inventions by any sense of the word. They are merely novel implementations when applied to the context of a smart watch. And they serve to improve the day to day usability which is far superior to the Moto 360 and the other Android Wear devices I've seen. This has been Apple's playbook since the beginning.

My point with the fitness capabilities is that it is the best implementation of it both in terms of accuracy and usability. And I have tried quite a few in my time.

[Someone1234]

> I never said Apple invented the concept of a crown nor haptic feedback.

Yes you did. To quote you:

> However there are a number of innovations e.g. digital crown, force touch, haptic feedback and the excellent Fitness capabilities that do put in far ahead of the competition in day to day usability.

Innovation: a new method, idea, product, etc.

So, yes, you did absolutely claim Apple invented the concept of the crown, haptic feedback, and so on. Otherwise that sentence makes no sense.

> They are merely novel implementations when applied to the context of a smart watch.

As I've shown even that isn't the case. I can list a smartwatch which had every feature on your least except one (force touch). Nothing novel about anything else you listed with regard to Apple Watch. Maybe of the features listed can be traced back to the early 2000s on smartwatches.

> And they serve to improve the day to day usability which is far superior to the Moto 360 and the other Android Wear devices I've seen.

Given that both have most of the features, that claim makes no sense. Maybe if you took of your tinted Apple fan goggles for a second and actually tried someone else's products, you would know how inaccurate that statement is.

I've used Apple Watch and a Moto 360. Have you? You didn't even answer my question when I asked you if you had even seen a Moto 360 in real life.

> My point with the fitness capabilities is that it is the best implementation of it both in terms of accuracy and usability. And I have tried quite a few in my time.

So have I. They aren't. Fitbit did it better many many years ago. Apple introduced a fitness product which is like something from 2010. The fitness trackers you can buy today are far and ahead better for anything beyond the basics.

[Steko]

Your misreadings are comical. He claimed that Apple's use of the crown was innovative (and it is) not that they invented the crown. He claimed that Apple's use of haptic feedback was innovative (and it is), not that they invented vibration. And across the board, review after review -- whether from tech press or watch press -- have echoed these claims -- Apple's implementations are innovative. By all means have at those windmills though.