Legalizing will undoubtedly increase usage, unless you can find another way to keep on the pressure. The reason why usage levels are what they are right now is because there is pressure against using it.
Yes they will factor in. That's disingenuous. Forget whose side of the debate you and I are in. Let's analyze the fundamental consequence of your assertion here.
If I held a gun to a drug addict's head, you think that will not pressure them to stop, even if just for that moment when the pressure is applied?
If your assertion is true, with any degree of correctness, then we've found a perfect way to destroy information! Simply convert data into a signal fed to a drug addict. Because you're asserting that drug addicts can destroy such information since regardless of what signal they're fed, they will destroy the information.
Well I did say "potential punitive measures" which I thought would make it obvious I meant legal punitive measures. Last time I checked holding a gun to a drug addict's head to achieve a change in that addict is not only illegal but highly unethical.
Pressure, as I took it, meant legal methods of affecting change. And even so, widespread violence against addict's and their families certainly didn't eradicate the problem for China. Today there are around 4-5 million drug users in China and yet that country has laws allowing for the death penalty for trafficking and very stringent use laws.
And certainly putting a gun to someone's head is definitely not a long term solution to addiction but rather a very cruel way of incentivizing treatment.
It's not a black and white thing. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you will do it the same amount if the pressure wasn't applied. You're arguing that it's impossible to influence the % of people that will do drugs simply because at any time it would be theoretically possible to circumvent it? EVERYTHING is circumventable. Does that mean we should give up all rules, force, and pressure to control behavior or influence our enemies?
People say that China can't stop everyone from going through the Great Firewall. That's the same point you guys are missing. China puts pressure against people from accessing uncensored information on the internet. They may not stop absolutely everyone, but they can reduce a large % of people from doing so, and prevent large % amount of information from being accessed that's corresponds linearly with the amount of pressure applied.
There is in fact no policy which is absolute. You can't eradicate all criminal activity, that doesn't mean you shouldn't put any pressure into doing so.
It's pretty much impossible to completely eradicate child pornography, especially now with the internet prevalent in third world countries. Are you also arguing we should legalize that because if someone really wanted to they still can get child pornography???
Usage rates of, for example, marijuana went down after it was effectively legalized in Amsterdam. Usage rates of heroin went down after decriminalization in Portugal. You can't just say that usage would "undoubtedly" go up; it's very doubtful indeed.
> Are you also arguing we should legalize that because if someone really wanted to they still can get child pornography???
Absolutely. We should be going after the people making and selling CP, not possession. It's in the creation and distribution of CP that people are being hurt, not in the consumption.
If some guy is mentally ill and enjoys CP but otherwise doesn't hurt anyone, how are we better off for putting him in jail?