[DrPizza]

> None of this would have come to light without GamerGate.

Including the stuff in his comment that happened before GamerGate and was widely known about and reported on before GamerGate?

"None of this" indeed.

Oh, and Totilo doesn't describe any kind of compromising relationship between Quinn and any of his writers, which merely underscores the fundamentally dishonest basis of the entire "movement". "ethics in games journalism" was always a pretext for "attack Zoe Quinn", which is why you idiots continue to bitch about "oh gosh someone in the games industry knows someone else" and not, you know, "major games publishers won't deal with critical outlets" or "major games publishers try to break through the Chinese wall between editorial and advertising by holding outlets hostage" or "non-disclosure of advertising funded by major publishers is routine on YouTube" or "the games industry is fundamentally corrupted by the widespread use of pre-orders rendering titles immune to reviews or even basic quality control" or "major publishers routinely use death marches, even though this is detrimental to both game quality and programmer wellbeing" or all sorts of other issues that actually matter worth a damn.

But no, you keep harping on about the utterly fucking trivial indie games industry, if it can even be called that.

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> But no, you keep harping on about the utterly fucking trivial indie games industry

Personal attacks are not allowed on HN, and your comments are generally breaking the site guidelines about civility. We ban accounts that do this repeatedly.

(Many other commenters have been breaking the guidelines too in this thread, and I'm not posting this because I agree with any of them.)

[Uhhrrr]

You should write about all the problems with major game publishers and name names. It would be a great article! However, considering how most game sites circled the wagons for the case of Nathan Grayson and an unknown indie dev, I don't have high hopes.

Also, saying there was no conflict of interest between Grayson and Quinn is bunk. He had hung out with her, flirted online, planned a trip to Vegas with her, and been thanked in the credits of Quinn's game. A journalist outside of the games industry would have let someone else cover the Game Jam, given that level of involvement.

Quinn should be blameless in this - there's no handbook of ethics for indie devs - but Stephen Totilo absolutely shouldn't.

[DrPizza]

> You should write about all the problems with major game publishers and name names.

People have written bits and pieces on this before

Nobody really cares.

[Uhhrrr]

Here's a Reddit post about Polygon's Samit Sarkar which got 500 upvotes: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3jq1xm/goal...

Here's a post about EA giving early access to Reddit mods, who didn't disclose it. 2000 upvotes: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3c8wze/ethi...

There's definitely a constituency among gamers.