[TazeTSchnitzel]

On the contrary, the claim is the truth, and the idea that gamergate is not a harassment campaign is a lie. The original creators of the movement explicitly stated that it was intended to be such, and that 'ethics in game journalism' is a cover story.

Of course, most members of gamergate do not believe they are in a harassment campaign, but why would they? The leaders of the movement will indulge them and tell them what they are doing is just.

[mushtifaha]

This is what I was referring to. Your statement reads like a religious dogma. There is no argument, no proof, no room for nuance. Just an axiom, which should be taken at face value and assimilated into one's set of beliefs. And this is something GG does very often. They build entire mythologies about the movement to paint the movement as some sort of a bogeyman. I think this is beneficial to gamergate. The opponents, with all their propaganda, make themselves appear ridiculous and work hard at discrediting themselves. Gamergaters don't even need to engage in advocacy. They just need to let the anti-GG keep being anti-GG.

[TazeTSchnitzel]

> This is what I was referring to. Your statement reads like a religious dogma. There is no argument there, no proof, no room for nuance. Just an axiom, which should be taken at face value and assimilated into one's set of beliefs.

No proof?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_GamerGate#August_20...

These links might be helpful to you.

As with any Internet discussion, not every point may be immediately substantiated. Your comments in this thread haven't been either.

[mushtifaha]

Heh, this site offers as much "proof", as those shady news sites no one has ever heard of which pro-Russian internet trolls use to "prove" that there's no Russian invasion in Eastern Ukraine.

The parallels between the techniques employed by the anti-GG/SJW crowd and those of the Russian state propaganda are uncanny.

Strange times we live in.

[TazeTSchnitzel]

If you consider this bad, wait until you see what "proof" gamergate offers.

[brymaster]

>rationalwiki

Very ironic that you decided to link to that RationalWiki piece, actively edited by the notorious 'Ryulong' who was banned from Wikipedia largely in part by his bad behavior (rule-beaking, undoing edits, bias and unethical practices) on the GamerGate entry. (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ryulong%20banned)

Wow, I mean come on!

[thieving_magpie]

who are the "leaders of the movement"?

[TazeTSchnitzel]

The people who most influence gamergate, the people who gamergate listen to. They do exist. Gamergate may be decentralised, but like any campaign, it does have leaders.

[thieving_magpie]

I'm clearly asking for some names. You're avoiding the question. who are the "leaders of the movement"?

[TazeTSchnitzel]

Well, one example would be Milo Yiannopoulos. A journalist with a murky past (screwing over staff working under him) and who, prior to joining gamergate, actively mocked video gamers.

[Sacho]

Could you identify a call-to-action that Milo Yiannopoulos initiated, or any other manifestation of his leadership of GamerGate supporters? Has he started a campaign? Has he organized an event?

Milo is a journalist, not a leader.

[thieving_magpie]

Interesting - I hadn't heard of him. The wiki page certainly seems to back up the claim regarding his contempt for gamers.