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by copperred 3932 days ago
"It is an example of a white male privilege"

No it is not. You cannot point to poor treatment of one group as evidence of the "privilege" of another group. There are more than two colors of people.

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Isn't that precisely what privilege means? Having advantages that accrue to you simply by membership in one group?

There are degrees of privilege, too. I'm not white - I'm multiracial white/Asian, though I look basically Asian. I'm also not a Stanford grad, and my parents weren't millionaires. However, I grew up middle-class in a reasonably affluent suburb, my parents stayed married, they were highly educated, and I'm not black or Hispanic. These are all privileges; they are unearned advantages that I obtained through circumstances before my birth. That I'm not white and can't call up a VC to get them to fund my company doesn't make me unprivileged; it makes me less privileged than certain 1-in-a-million individuals.

What I read in that is that we can say Argentinians are privileged vs Paraguayans, because due to circumstance beyond anyone's control, Argentines are better off than Paraguayans. Same for Greeks vs Swedes?
Fair assessment, I think. I don't know anything about the specific situations in those countries, but privilege is very frequently used in referring to say, coming from the U.S. vs. the rest of the world, or developed nations rather than developing nations.
Okay, and when are we gonna talk about Jewish privilege? Because they get all the benefits of white privilege when they're white-passing, PLUS the benefits of being Jewish!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4099803,00.html

(Ynetnews is an Israeli paper, by the way)

"Since the mass immigration some 100 years ago, Jews have become richest religious group in American society. They make up only 2% of US population, but 25% of 400 wealthiest Americans. How did it happen, and how crucial is their aid to Israel?"

Hmmm...

Or how about the drawbacks of being Jewish? According to the FBI (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2013/topic-... "Of the 1,223 victims of anti-religious hate crimes: 60.3 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Jewish bias."

Perhaps Jews do so well because Judaism teaches critical thinking and education as a philosophy, whereas Christianity teaches obedience and the power of wishful thinking. Only one of these schools of thoughts helps you in the real world.

And yet, no one has a "Perhaps white people do so well because..." and if they do, they're racist. Right?
I don't think you grok the concept of privilege as I'm using it. My guess is that like many people who reject the term (or its common usage), you think "privilege" is an indictment of the people who hold the privilege, or a demand for them to relinquish it. That may be some people's notion of privilege, but it's not a very useful one.

Better is just to see it as a positive attribute, rather than a normative one. It is a fact that white men have some advantages in most tech workplaces, simply because they don't stick out. That doesn't make white men bad people, or obligate them to do things to genuflect to non-white non-men. It's just a useful thing to know, is all.

You are focused on the word "privilege" but my point was about the word "white". Anyone not a black male is privileged to be able to get angry in the work place according to your example. It's asian/indian/middle eastern/eskimo/white/other privilege.
Then whats the cause of the poor treatment?
If you are saying white privilege is the cause of poor treatment of the black man mentioned above, you are way off base. Privilege is not the cause of the treatment, it is the result.
I'm just simply asking whats the cause of the poor treatment? If you are able to assert that it is not due to white privilege and know if someone is off-base, then I'm assuming you know that cause to make such an assertion. That's all.