[camccann]

The best interpretation of this drivel is that you want people to accept your claims of superior productivity just on your say so but not ask for any evidence because asking you back up your unsubstantiated claims of superiority would be "bean counting".

The obvious interpretation is that he's saying something like "the usual definition of productivity is flawed and myopic, and gets in the way of realizing the power of Lisp". The paragraph you quoted (implied as a representative sample) is indeed pretty much content-free, because it was a gratuitous flourish at the end.

Of course there is indeed a lot of assertion couched in flowery language there, but that's not the same as "because I say so and if you disagree you're a poopyhead" which is what you seem to have gotten from it. You also seemed to miss the part where he argued that multiple major concepts in modern software originated on the Lisp Machine, which would seem to more than qualify as "building something better".

I'm assuming you're not naive enough to think that "better" equates to "successful", which is another issue entirely.

[plinkplonk]

"The obvious interpretation is that he's saying something like "the usual definition of productivity is flawed and myopic, and gets in the way of realizing the power of Lisp". "

Just the fact of him sayng something like that doesn't make it true. More logic, supporting arguments and evidence is called for to support such claims. Besides He isn't offering any (lucid) alternative definition. Just rant after rant , over a period of years. Which makes the whole post (and link to it on HN) very content free (imo, feel free to disagree and vote accordingly).

Yes , sure Lisp is cool. There I said it. But hey Linux is cool too. So is C. So are a lot of things.