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by kazinator 3940 days ago
> Without a mind to understand, interpret, and define mathematics, does it exist?

Unquestioningly so. For instance, there is a number 2 and a number pi which are not caused by thinking. Beings which evolve on separate planets (or whatever) in separate universes have to to come to the conclusion that the ratio between the diameter and circumference of a circle is a certain number. Those numbers will be found to agree, though there is no causal link between the two. You can define what constitutes a circle, and define the question of the ratio of its parts, but you don't get to define pi.

Or, if you define "composite" and "prime", you don't get to decide which integers are one or the other, or facts like that two is the smallest prime and the only even one.

The question is: what is the difference between your existence and the existence of pi? Maybe there isn't any.

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> facts like that two is the smallest prime and the only even one

I see the fact that two is the only even prime brought up from time to time as if it's inherently interesting. Why is it more interesting than the identical observation that 37 is the only prime which is a multiple of 37?

I guess this bothers me because 2 being the only even prime isn't a consequence of the definition of "prime"... it's part of the definition.

You're right in that evenness is divisibility by two by definition. For any P which is prime, P is the smallest divisible by P.

It is probably that divisibility by two (evenness) is interesting.

For example, it has the property that if we know the evenness of two integers, then we know the evenness of their sum or product.

Division of cases by even versus odd occurs regularly; in few circumstances do you have to separately reason about cases corresponding somehow to the elements of the congruence modulo 37.

As regards your third line, I feel compelled to note that if we know the equivalence class of two integers (mod 37), we also know the equivalence class (mod 37) of their sum and product. ;)
Indeed, it just the mod 37 congruence doesn't correspond to nice Boolean:

  odd(x + y) = odd(x) XOR odd(y)
  odd(x * y) = odd(x) AND odd(y)
There.