[jbssm]

> Seems like you have no interest in providing a source that proves what you're saying? What do Muslims in Western countries actually believe? The concept of cultural assimilation is not a new one, but maybe it is to you.

No, it seems you have no interest in being coherent. How is a newly arrived refugee/migrant a Muslim from a Western country?

Also, the data VERY CLEARLY states than more than 2/3 of the Muslims living in the European countries in the sample believe that the Sharia should be applied to the Muslims living there (the ones that actually live there, so, the culturally integrated ones according to you).

Care to explain where is your cultural assimilation now?

[rmxt]

Ah, so no source. Great!

Let me simplify it for you:

1. Above, you are lamenting the fact that Western countries allow Muslims in. (I shed a single tear for your cause.)

2. You suggest that "we" (presumably Western Christians) should be afraid of Muslims because the majority believe that "non-believers" should be stoned, etc.

3. You present "evidence" that shows that the majority of Muslims that currently live in particular Middle Eastern countries subscribe to those beliefs.

4. My retort: where is the evidence that Muslims refugees from those same countries to Western countries, actually believe those things at the same rate?

If you give me a poll of Muslim refugees in the USA/Germany/Sweden etc. with results that are similar to the link you've already posted, then maybe you have half a leg to stand on. Until then, enjoy your miserliness.

EDIT: It's called a reply button. I've made no claims regarding the European countries in your example. Save for Russia, those are majority Muslim countries. Islam in Russia is a special case, with certain regions having dense pockets of Muslims. [1] Cultural assimilation would suggest that immigrants will tend towards whatever mainstream beliefs prevail there, in this case Islam. The same cannot be said for most Western European countries, where irreligiousness or Christian social mores prevail. Are you suggesting that Muslim countries kick their own Muslims out? Do you know anything about those countries?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_in_Russia.png

[jbssm]

Yes, yes, if you nitpick enough you can bypass all obstacles, like:

1-The fact these are people just arriving Europe, they aren't westernised by any means.

2-The fact that the vast majority of Muslims living in other European countries shown in the study do believe in following the Sharia law.

3-The fact that you claim that these people are in some way different than the majority of the people in their countries, just because you want too.

Perfect, you managed to find that the 1% of the African people that suits your alternate reality are the only refugees/migrants that are arriving in Europe. Well done.

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom#Sh...

P.S. - 36% of Muslims living in UK believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death. But I'm sure you will find some way to nitpick out of this and tell me that these Muslims don't count. Right?

[rmxt]

You have no interest in pursuing a genuine argument. I am not "bypassing those obstacles". This isn't nitpicking, this is logic over xenophobia.

1. They are not westernized when they arrive, but they can and do become westernized over time. [1]

2. Those are Muslim European countries, not "your" type of countries. Your comparison is meaningless, and is different than the one you originally made.

3. They are not different than the majority. I am asking you to prove that they are a representative sample of that country's population. (Still waiting!)

[1] For example, http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01419870903318169

EDIT: You suggest that I am the one cherry picking, but you're the one failing to comprehend an important qualifier on the 36%, namely it is only 16 to 24 year olds, and you are ignoring the rest of the (positive) statistics in that paragraph:

"On religious issues a poll reported that 36% of 16–24 year olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared to 19% of 55+ year old Muslims"

"However around 83% of Muslims are proud to be a British citizen, compared to 79% of the general public, 77% of Muslims strongly identify with Britain while only 50% of the wider population do, 86.4% of Muslims feel they belong in Britain, slightly more than the 85.9% of Christians, 82% of Muslims want to live in diverse and mixed neighbourhoods compared to 63% of non-Muslim Britons"

"A poll reported that 59% of Muslims would prefer to live under British law, compared to 28% who would prefer to live under sharia law."

Frankly, I'm not going to bitch too loudly if I think Muslims should cut themselves some slack regarding converts. What is the threat to you, so long as no action is taken on anyone, if one British Muslim wants to think a British ex-Muslim should be stoned for conversion? Regardless, by no means is the belief you are parading about a "majority" belief. You are shifting the goalposts.