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Thanks for the link, I listened to the Ramos bit. To me, it was noticeable the narrator already took a point of view. It also advocated taking points of view and saw taking a point of view on certain issues necessary (in this case advocating for undocumented immigrants).

Immigrations is a tough issue. There is the human factor. When confronted with the individual cases, it's hard to make a case against open borders. But if we took it to the extreme, we know neither the US nor Europe can accommodate the rest of the world without becoming like the world those people are trying to avoid. (Most of the people are economic immigrants).

In addition, suppose we could sustain a European or North American lifestyle. What would resource demand look like if either sustained 100 million or 500 million immigrants?

Also, what is the responsibility of the bad governments for their poor stewardship of their own people? And what about the questions of a North American or European working freely in anyone of those countries? I think it's a two way street. If we open our borders, so should they. And it should be reciprocal. We open it up to Cuba, Cuba opens it up to us. We open it up to the Netherlands, they open it up to us, etc.