| I'm curious if you'd care to mention exactly what "more lethal martial arts" or "good schools" you're alluding too. I also specified "full-contact" previously, meaning live training - would be quite surprised to find legitimate schools practicing "lethal techniques" at anything close to full speed. >Can you explain to me why generally armies teach their soldier something like Krav Maga... The US military's combatives program is based mostly on combat sports[1], e.g. BJJ, judo, muay thai, boxing, wrestling, etc. The training is adjusted to their particular use cases, like trying not to lose your weapon, since soldiers with guns who can shoot are a lot more valuable to the military than ones who can grapple. That aside, and if you don't believe me fine, but most military guys will lose quickly to even an average BJJ blue belt. I've seen it many times, and anyone at an MMA or grappling school near a military base should be able to confirm as well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatives#Modern_Army_Combati... >They also concentrate on fighting on the ground which is pretty fucking useless IRL. It's also useless against say multiple opponents. Or are you expecting them to wait for you to choke them out one by one? Except it's completely not. Sure, ground fighting works best (imo) in a one-on-one fight against unarmed opponents, but if you're attacked by a team of people with serious weapons you're probably screwed anyway. BJJ (if that's the one we're focusing on) also involves a lot of wrestling, judo, position control, etc. No one forces you to go to the ground, and a lot of the actual Gracie self-defense stuff involves standing escape type techniques - "break the grip and get away." And again, it doesn't take long to choke someone out, a few seconds if the grip is right, and even less to just rip a shoulder or break a wrist. You can finish a kimura standing, for example, it's just easier to get out of if the person knows how to defend it. >A boxer learns to fight in accordance with some rules... he's at a disadvantage because he's not expecting someone to say kick his knee out. Opening up leg strikes certainly changes the game, but experienced boxers will have extensive practice in controlling their position, distance, making angles and avoiding strikes. If this comparison is still between people doing full-contact styles with live training, versus people not, he still has a huge advantage over an opponent with no practice in an actual combat situation. You seem to be alluding to styles where people somehow practice "lethal" techniques in an effective manner without neutering the effectiveness of their training, but provide no suggestions of what styles and schools those are. If you could provide some examples it would be more convincing. >What am I supposed to do with this statement. Maybe you are just a shit grappler. Maybe drop the attitude? It was one of my first days of class, against someone with years of experience. I'm not really interested in debating it if there's no intention to reach consensus and just toss insults instead. |
That's actually a pretty complex question because I'm not sure I can really draw the line along the different styles rather than along different dojos/masters. I would say that generally e.g. Krav Maga, Japanese Ju Jitsu (including some of the derivatives like Small Circle Ju Jitsu), then something like Wing Chun, Musado and many others are pretty good. Note that minus Ju Jitsu, I have only limited experience with the others so my impression of them might be wrong but they seemed pretty good.
The most important question is whether they teach you e.g. where on the body to strike to kill and then prepare you physically and mentally not to freeze when you get into a situation when it's needed. Another thing I have noticed is that the better dojos are very eclectic and pick and choose from other martial arts if it makes sense.
> The US military's combatives program is based mostly on combat sports[1], e.g. BJJ, judo, muay thai, boxing, wrestling, etc.
The fact that they pick and choose is exactly why it's effective though. They don't teach pure BJJ because pure BJJ isn't that useful IRL.
> will lose quickly to even an average BJJ blue belt
I'm well aware of that. But remember, none of these matches were to the death (I assume).
> but if you're attacked by a team of people with serious weapons you're probably screwed anyway.
If they have weapons, your martial art should teach you how to get the fuck out of there ASAP. If they don't have weapons, self-defense is not unimaginable. Harder, but not impossible.
> Opening up leg strikes certainly changes the game, but experienced boxers will have extensive practice in controlling their position, distance, making angles and avoiding strikes
He's prepared for a different type of opponent. Boxer will do well in mid-range but not so well in a clinch or on longer distances.
> It was one of my first days of class, against someone with years of experience.
Right. So maybe it wasn't the best example to bring up if you didn't have much practice.