[dagw]

sport ergo they don't teach you the lethal techniques.

A blood choke is probably one of the most lethal move in all of (unarmed) martial arts and is also one of the most standard techniques in BJJ and Sambo and also taught in Judo and most other grappling arts, all of which are "martial sports".

[adamnemecek]

Cool. But there's like a billion others.

[dagw]

There are the neck cranks, but that's got a fairly low chance of actually killing someone. There's the curb stomp, but that's hardly martial arts "move". I suppose a piledriver onto a hard surface could kill someone. Other than that there really aren't any moves I can think of that can realistically be considered lethal with any sort of consistency, despite the claims some less reputable martial arts sometimes make.

Care to enlighten me?

[adamnemecek]

Here's a couple of locations where to strike:

* temple of the head (and the head in general minus the forehead)

* "Rabbit punch" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_punch

* Adam's apple (and throat in general)

* solar plexus

* heart (if you punch strong enough you will confuse the heart in a way where the single muscle fibers won't be contracting at once and thereby stop the blood circulation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

I said a billion because there's a ton of ways to cause trauma to these.

> can realistically be considered lethal with any sort of consistency, despite the claims some less reputable martial arts sometimes make.

Yeah, it's not 100%. But for example the Rabbit punch is extremely dangerous.

[dagw]

You're moving the goal posts, from "lethal" to "painful with a small outside chance of death or permanent injury". For the throat and solar plexus I can't even find any serious indication of them causing deaths in healthy individuals, and a strike to the heart is only really deadly for children and young teenagers. Hell all of those except the rabbit punch are perfectly legal in most full contact martial arts competition and hardly have a history of causing death or even serious injury. A solid Muay Thai kick to the head as a greater chance of killing than a strike to the solar plexus, and thousands of those land in sporting events every day without incident.

Yeah, it's not 100%

It's almost certainly not even 1%. If your martial art teaches that a move is "deadly" and the move isn't a blood choke, then they are almost certainly at the very least greatly exaggerating.

[adamnemecek]

> You're moving the goal posts, from "lethal" to "painful with a small outside chance of death or permanent injury".

I never moved a goal post. I still maintain that the chance of death is pretty large ~80% for some (it's pretty low for the heart).

> For the throat and solar plexus I can't even find any serious indication of them causing deaths in healthy individuals

You most definitely can kill people by punching them in the throat. Google around, the consensus seems to be clear. E.g. http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/865277-overview

> Hell all of those except the rabbit punch are perfectly legal in most full contact martial arts competition and hardly have a history of causing death or even serious injury.

E.g. throat punches are considered fouls in UFC and K-1.

> It's almost certainly not even 1%. If your martial art teaches that a move is "deadly" and the move isn't a blood choke, then they are almost certainly at the very least greatly exaggerating.

Google around first.