[nostrademons]

"It's a recession when someone you know loses their job. It's a depression when you lose yours."

I know people, personally, that are losing their homes. I'm kinda wondering how large your social circles are if you don't know anyone in that situation.

Now, the people I know in foreclosure probably should be in foreclosure - they got that way through bad financial decisions in 2006 and 2007, and they were certainly warned at the time. House prices can't stay overvalued forever, and maybe this'll give those of us who were more prudent with our money an actual chance to own a home. But "propaganda term"? Really? These are real people with real homes. And they're not as uncommon as you'd think.

[yummyfajitas]

A person in foreclosure is, by the definition of foreclosure, not losing their home. They never owned a home, all they owned is a call option on a home.

[nostrademons]

They are losing the home they live in, which in practical terms is as bad or worse.

Average people don't care about call options or rates of return, they care that they have a roof over their head.

[yummyfajitas]

You can't lose something you never had to begin with.

Lets follow your logic. My lease runs out on Jan 31. Am I "losing my home"? If I'm not, what distinguishes my repo agreement/lease from other peoples call option/mortgage?

[lionhearted]

> Am I "losing my home"? If I'm not, what distinguishes my repo agreement/lease from other peoples call option/mortgage?

I actually agree with your basic sentiment, but there is an answer to this. Losing a mortgaged home hurts more than an apartment because people tend to have greater levels of endowment effects -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect

> In behavioral economics, the endowment effect (also known as divestiture aversion) is a hypothesis that people value a good or service more once their property right to it has been established. In other words, people place a higher value on objects they own than objects that they do not.

Endowment effects is looking pretty robust at this point, it's been shown on a lot of unrelated types of goods and services. People have a much greater attachment to a "home" than an "apartment" - I mean you can even think of the difference in connotation and prestige between being a "homeowner" and "renter" - this probably isn't a good thing by the way, but it's definitely real.

[billswift]

> I'm kinda wondering how large your social circles are if you don't know anyone in that situation.

And I'm kind of wondering what sort of circles you move in if you know several people in that situation.

[nostrademons]

They are all sorts of people - one was a childhood friend that I played with when I was 3. Another is a 60-something friend of my mother's. A third (not sure if she's actually been foreclosed upon yet) is my former landlady.

It is good to have friends - or at least acquaintances - outside of the high-powered tech industry circles. Helps you keep perspective.