[rhino369]

The NSA doesn't get my email unless it gets a FISA warrant since I'm in the USA. Court records show they get about 3000 warrants a year. I'm pretty confident I'm not one of those.

The problem with google though, is that anything Google knows about me can be sought by the NSA with just one of those FISA warrants.

Google and Facebook are essentially NSA Reserve Branch.

The NSA also isn't charged with making criminal cases. There is a conspiracy theory about "parallel construction" but too much crime is totally unsolved for the NSA to be secretly feeding law enforcement data on a large scale.

I also wouldn't be so sure that Google or Facebook won't fuck with your life. Plenty of American companies have done extraordinarily evil things before. Then again so has the government.

[cryoshon]

Did you really just call parallel construction a conspiracy theory? Hell no it isn't, and you are being dishonest or ignorant by claiming it's not well founded.

Let's quote Wikipedia:

"In August 2013, a report by Reuters revealed that the Special Operations Division (SOD) of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration advises DEA agents to practice parallel construction when creating criminal cases against Americans that are actually based on NSA warrantless surveillance. The use of illegally obtained evidence is generally inadmissible under the Fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine.

Two senior DEA officials explained that the reason parallel construction is used is to protect sources (such as undercover agents or informants) or methods in an investigation. One DEA official had told Reuters: "Parallel construction is a law enforcement technique we use every day. It's decades old, a bedrock concept.""

That's a formal government advisory to its agents that they should cover up the way that they actually encountered evidence. And that is total bullshit because it completely invalidates your right to a fair trial, among other rights. This isn't the NSA, solving crimes, it's the government law enforcement agencies querying the NSA database in order to solve cases they've already opened.

[0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

[Zirro]

"The NSA doesn't get my email unless it gets a FISA warrant since I'm in the USA. Court records show they get about 3000 warrants a year. I'm pretty confident I'm not one of those."

Your implication seems to be that this is supposed to make the practice more acceptable. Well, I'm not from the US or even a Five Eyes-country. I speak from the perspective of the billions of people who don't have these rights under the NSA and similar-minded agencies.

[mindcrime]

The NSA doesn't get my email unless it gets a FISA warrant since I'm in the USA

And you're basing this belief on what, exactly? The NSA party-line? I think a lot of evidence shows that they've been scarfing up damn near everything, FISA be damned, by using bogus interpretations of various laws. Are you really confident that the NSA aren't hoovering up your email, web traffic, phone calls, etc?

Just curious, as I see nothing to support such a belief.

[idlewords]

The FBI can read any email of yours older than six months without a warrant.