[mikeash]

Lots of socialist countries are doing fine, so how can you say it "always fails"?

How does the "structure of control" needed for things like national health care contribute in any way to the "structure of control" needed to oppress citizens?

[kuni-toko-tachi]

Lots? Which ones? And for how long?

[mikeash]

The Scandinavian countries, various countries in Western Europe.