[davidgerard]

> ... but the rate at which new tools are introduced, and having to sort out which actually will win is a considerable overhead. After a while it ... just gets kind of old. Especially since you realize that all of it is a constructed complexity, largely arbitrary.

One of the most important parts of my job as a sysadmin is the immediate sniff test on trendy technology of the week and being able to spot the obvious pain points early. Bitter experience, it's useful!

[dredmorbius]

Quite. Though it's less the sniff tests and more the banishment from workplaces / sites / tools I use that get to be draining. Again: systemd. Which risks fucking over an entire massive (and otherwise highly useful) resource.

[davidgerard]

The systemd battle's a lost cause I think. Pity, 'cos upstart was a reasonable implementation of the concept and vastly superior to init shell scripts. At least it's not Windows Server.

(TODO: pointy-clicky interface to systemd)

[JdeBP]

Would that be along the lines of https://packages.debian.org/sid/systemd-ui , https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/sysadmin/system... , or https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=272.0 ?

[digi_owl]

Could have sworn i have already seen a early version of such a interface for either KDE or Gnome...

[davidgerard]

Excellent! (cough) Now they just need to make it mandatory in GnomeOS ...