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>Why would you care? > > Because unlimited recourse to view, then withdraw payment, torpedoes the system.

This sounds a bit like saying libraries are bad for authors? Why would this torpedo the system? Do we know that people would "freeload" to the extent that the system would break down?

> Also noted that you've failed to address access issues for the poor, children, researchers, and creatives themselves, all of which a general fee would cover.

How so? A child can use a parents account, researchers and creatives can certainly pay? Researchers might get remimbursed of course -- but that's immaterial.

Certainly poor can pay some -- granted, many will not be able to. Let them read for free (by "abusing the refund") -- and start paying when/if they're no longer poor?

I don't see how a flat tax would be any better for the poor, than direct payment? If a person can afford to spend a dollar, or a thousand dollars on content each month -- that doesn't change just because you collect a fee based off of bandwith rather than per-item?

Re: payment fraud -- sure, that's a real problem, and fraud is something every pay system need to account for. I'm not sure that credit cards/micropayments would be more expensive in this regard than tax -- there's plenty of tax fraud too.

I'm mostly concerned with that your model would appear to me to extend the status quo -- where a lot of low quality content get a lot of views, and generate a lot of the profit -- while it'd be better to have a system that promoted more diverse and "better" content -- generally that'd be a slide towards more decentralized publishing/more personal publishing.

This is of course entirely subjective.

[dredmorbius]

Libraries don't allow for unlimited frictionless reproduction. Digital data does.

(Libraries providing content in digital form also do: CDs, DVDs, eBooks).

I don't see how a flat tax would be any better for the poor, than direct payment?

I feel like I'm repeating myself. Oh, because I am. Information is social infrastructure, benefitting all:

● Information goods typically have very high positive externalities -- they benefit those who don't directly consume them.

That is, a tax, particularly one scaled to income:

● Captures the otherwise uncompensated benefit to those who benefit by information even without directly paying for it. Among the benefits I'm referencing is living in an accurately informed public, which requries accurate, relevant, and timely news. Problems with compensation of news media are an ongoing problem. But entertainment matters as well: here's looking at you kid, whether you've paid to watch Casablanca or not.

● Is scaled to income/wealth. Just as the wealthy have benefitted more from society, they're paying on that basis. Dittoes for information.

● Information is raw material. Any denied access is lost social potential and deadweight cost.

your model would appear to me to extend the status quo -- where a lot of low quality content get a lot of views

That is a concern, and something I'm concerned with. It's addressed in a follow-up article (not listed above):

"Specifying a Universal Online Media Payment Syndication System" https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/2h0h81/specify...

"Some level of price tiering. Seems that there should be a recognition that some content is considerably more cost-intensive than others. I've been pondering how to address this, and don't have a good metric, though assigning either authors or works to specific categories, and setting compensation tiers appropriately, could help. This might also be a way to avoid the Gresham's Law dilemma of crap content driving out good. If crap content has zero (or even negative) prices, then there's no (or at least less) economic incentive to produce it. Rewarding highly complex work based on its inputs would also be of benefit. To be developed but several models exist."

There are a number of related articles found searching for "content sindication" on my subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/search?q=content+syndic...

At the very least, you're breaking out of the blockbuster model and restrictions imposed by advertisers or agents on what gets created in the first place. We're already seeing this to some extent now. Sturgeon's Law applies: 90% of everything's crap. But with sufficient filter and recommendations systems, the good stuff can be found (though addressing that is another challenge).

There's also the issue of addressing quality and especially truth/relevance in informational content (news, research results). That's something else I'm kicking around. It's largely independent of content syndication, though possibly not entirely so.

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Thank you for your patient and lenghty replies. I still think we disagree - but I think I'm getting a better grasp on your view/ideas.

How do you see taxation/fees working across borders? Clearly agreements can be made, but it seems much more feasible to piggyback on trade agreements than to erect a new international body of law just for digital content? How do money paid by a Chinese factory worker find its way to an American poet? And vice-versa?

[dredmorbius]

Addressing a different aspect, the Ashley Madison incident is another argument against micropayments.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10083536

[dredmorbius]

I get the sense I'm not selling you on this, but the conversation may end up getting FAQed ;-)

How do you see taxation/fees working across borders?

Good question, and one I hadn't really considered, but I'd divide it out into respective chunks:

1. Let's get back to the goal here: it's to provide sufficient compensation to authors and artists of works distributed in electronic form with a minimal of interference, overhead, control, cencorship, or privacy invasion, while enabling, facilitating, and encouraging open distribution of such works. It's not "build a perfect utility-capture system", and it's not "prevent the least amount of unauthorized / uncompensated use."

To that end, a first-order solution to foreign use is "it doesn't matter.

But let's say that's not quite satisfactory.

2. The total global GDP is presently about $70 trillion. Roughly half of that by nominal GDP is contained within the G7 nations: Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK, and the US.[1] The G20 (20 largest economies) are 85%.[2] The OECD -- 34 nations -- ⅔ of global GDP.[3] Again, Zipf power functions are your friend. This puts the lion's share of interest in a subset of the 206 sovereign states of Earth.

As with other international tariff treaties (postal, telecoms), most are based on bidirectional rights. If your country's producing significant informational goods, you'll have higher incentives to strike a deal with other countries. States which produce little by way of intellectual property would of course have little incentive. Most of these would be developing nations.

Note as well: this scheme would be fully compatible with CC or Free Software/OpenSource licensing. Authors/creators could register and be eligible for compensation.

3. And as with broadcast, your interest is finding a representative population to sample*. The largest providers, servers, or ISPs within a given nation. If this is based on some sort of licensing arrangement, you'd be looking at those parties to set up monitoring and enforcement.

So: first approximation, don't worry about it and treat each nation independently.

Second: scale out among largest economies first.

Third: approach largest broadband / connectivity providers first.

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Notes:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G7_(major_advanced_economies)

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oecd

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states