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seems like people in the US mistake the Human Resources department with Workers Councils.

in Europe, you go to the Council, never to HR. the Council is job protected, guaranteed pay - hence no way to apply pressure from the company.

HR is not a bad department, they are very important, but they serve the CEO, their role is to keep the whole thing going, avoid waves of any kind and keep a good hiring pipeline.

surprised no union is trying this to break into amazon.

[computer]

You speak about "Europe" like it's a country with a single set of regulations. It's not-- it's a continent. Even for the European Union, the rules are actually extremely varied:

http://www.worker-participation.eu/National-Industrial-Relat...

And even those countries with councils have (as the link also mentions) very varying rules on exactly what the councils do. Please don't say "Europe" when you mean "some European country".

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so Germany has not taken over all of Europia? color me surprised.

oder aber du checker überlegst mal, für wen die simplifizierung 'Europa' gedacht war.

[binxbolling]

Let's not delude ourselves: in the US, in public non-union orgs, everyone is there to serve the CEO.

Some people in this thread make it sound like every department is actively thwarting senior management and working counter to the company's business—except HR, who are in on the game or something. So, fuck HR, right? They couldn't possibly be one cog, along with every other cog, in a larger machine designed to extract value from workers for owners/shareholders.