[zak_mc_kracken]

> Did Scala just start winning before Kotlin was around?

Scala has about 2% mind share on the JVM after ten years in existence, I would say that not only is it not winning but its time has passed.

Ceylon is one year old, Kotlin is not even out yet, there is plenty of time for either of these two to gain some solid mind share.

Or maybe not. Maybe Java is going to reign supreme for quite a while. Whatever the replacement of Java will eventually be, I'm pretty sure it won't be Scala.