[jevgeni]

Let's refrain from assuming anything about anyone's sincerity. As far as I can tell, most of the Windows 10 scaremongering on HN is nothing but FUD. The key logger argument is a case in point:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/does-windows-10-really-include-...

Yet, you unquestioningly repeat it.

Local system search while sharing some basic diagnostics data with Microsoft does not share the search queries.

WiFi passwords could be shared with your Windows 10 using Facebook friends, if you allow it. If you care about privacy that much, don't allow it, or better yet, don't use Facebook.

I couldn't find any evidence that Windows 10 shares any worthwhile application activity data.

Yet, it is somehow perceived as a Watergate-level of betrayal, but at the same time it is ok to praise Google for scanning your entire mailbox.

To me this just looks like a bunch of 90s kids struggling to shake off the "Evil Micro$oft" groupthink.

[inversionOf]

"Yet, you unquestioningly repeat it."

Why are you quoting an ancient article (one that, humorously, incorrectly claims that the typing data telematics was just some temporary preview release inclusion, when actually it made it to production), when the actual privacy policy of Windows 10, when you install it, tells you that it will monitor and send "typing data" to Microsoft? Microsoft left this very nebulous, but ultimately that simple privacy setting allows them the legal right, and the technical facility, to log every keystroke.

"I couldn't find any evidence that Windows 10 shares any worthwhile application activity data."

Somehow I don't think you actually looked, given how aggressively you have attempted to defend Microsoft in this whole discussion.

No one thinks Microsoft is evil, but rather that they tried to out-Google Google (not very long after their terrible series of anti-Google ads that you even mentioned), taking the basic principal of Google's activities and multiplying it.

[jevgeni]

Yes, I was wrong about typing data. They collect it: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/speech-inking-...

Although it is possible to turn it off.

I think it would do them good to be more clear on how exactly they use and collect that data.

In fact I think this page should be read by everyone here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-10/windows-privac...

I didn't find anything huge about application data, I'm sorry. Worst case scenario: your computer crashes and an error report contains a memory snapshot with some of your data. Like any other mainstream operating system today.

This discussion shouldn't defer evidence to either mine or your authority or personality. It doesn't matter if I was aggressive or not. In fact, my defence of Microsoft is relative. In my opinion, it is stupid to feel offended about Microsoft's privacy practices, while supporting an even more invasive behaviour by Google. Among those two it is Google, whose business model of selling targeted ads actually depends on collecting personal data from their users. Yet it seems, they are above any scrutiny.

That's what I've been trying to say. I didn't say anything about any anti-Google ads, because I have no idea what those are.

Finally, seeing people selectively whine about privacy on a social network, even a rudimentary one, like HN, seems absurd.