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by rebootthesystem 3965 days ago
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Well, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Lots of people are using multi-copters armed with the amazing skills provided by ignorance and a total lack of consideration for fellow human beings, property, dogs, cats and small animals.

Despite a lame attempt at humor, the problem is very serious when viewed with the eyes of someone with over thirty years of experience designing, flying and, yes, crashing, all manner of model aircraft, from high performance 200 mile-per-hour carbon fiber gliders to lazy electric powered thermalling machines to high performance helicopters that can decapitate you if you are not paying attention.

Not one person in the several model aircraft clubs I've been a member of or have flown in would ever think of doing some of the crap people do with these drones. Why? Because we know they are unreliable and dangerous toys. I own highly modified RC helicopters costing upwards of $8,000 and have built and flown amazing ducted fan jets that cost many times that amount. And they are ALL toys. They are built with hobby-grade parts and can fail catastrophically on the "anytime-anywhere" plan.

The mass marketed multi's are even worst. They don't use the best, most expensive and most reliable battle-tested components. Something that retails for $500 is likely to have $50 to $75 in parts, whereas a high-quality aircraft built by a true model aircraft enthusiast might have propellers that cost that much.

To be clear, spending $3,000 to $5,000 on these fancy looking multi's doesn't make them any safer. They are flying bricks. With a plane you can glide and hope to have a controlled crash away from people (believe me, I've crashed many over the years). With a helicopter you have auto-rotation that, when coupled with training, allows the pilot to execute a safe descent and landing.

Training, that the other key element. Learning to build, fly and operate model aircraft requires time, dedication, tutoring and many hours training. It it also marked by starting-off with simple and nimble models and progressively moving up to faster, more expensive and more capable models as your skills evolve and improve. None of that exists in drone-land.

And, because of this, someone goes out and buys a $1,000 rig and thinks nothing of flying it over a crowd, someone's home, over kids at the park, near full-scale aircraft, near firefighters, etc. They have no clue. They don't care. Or both.

To be sure, the industry has done a great job of pushing these toys to increasing levels of capabilities and to a level where knowing how to build, maintain and fly them seems irrelevant. Point and click. And, at the same time, they've also done a great job of nurturing a disaster in the making. With the morons out there buying these things en-masse it is only a matter of time until one gets sucked into a passenger aircraft in flight and a major disaster unfolds.

You guessed it! I'm not happy at all about this. Because of what I see coming: These morons (and I am including the companies who are behaving irresponsibly in that statement) are going to destroy a wonderful hobby some of us have enjoyed our entire lives. Eventually something really ugly will happen. And that will lead to the government coming down hard on all things that have to do with RC flight. The fact that some of us (lots of us!) have been flying "drones" for decades without ever making news --due to operating the aircraft responsibly, with consideration and within designated areas-- won't matter, we are are going to be thrown into the same bag as the idiots who cased the problem.

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Constructive note: Hey, droners.io folks, you might want to edit "Principle Broker" on your home page and change it to "Principal Broker". Not the same thing.

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I'm sitting here replacing "multi-copter" with "personal computer" and laughing about how elitist and resistant your statements are.
Pause for a minute and really think about what you said.

Then go and google the definition of "elitist".

You are creating a false equivalency between drones and PC's. You are screaming "elitist" --using some twisted definition of the term-- at someone advocating for operating drones within rules of conduct proven to protect life, limb and property. You make no sense whatsoever.

It also works with "cars" circa 1910, or even "books"...

See also this opinion of an actual commercial pilot about the risk of a drone hitting a passenger aircraft:

https://jethead.wordpress.com/2015/08/08/airliners-vs-drones...

I would be careful comparing low quality aircraft with cars and books. These things are more different than they are alike.

Also as someone pointed out: there are other aircraft than passenger aircraft. I live in a city with a hospital near the city centre. At all hours of the day helicopters take off and land there. Depending on where they have been, they follow different flight paths entering the city. Meaning that they cross through airspace trivially reachable by drones.

I've seen people fly drones over the river that runs by the hospital. Every time I see that I imagine the medical helicopter hitting a large drone and crash into the hospital. And I guess the pilots imagine this too.

Many, many people have argued that cars and, yes, books, would destroy civilization; and maybe they did, as they changed it beyond recognition.

But it's very annoying when a new technology gets opposed in the name of "safety". New things are dangerous, but usually less so than old things.

Where did I say drones would destroy civilization? Show me! Where?

That's the problem with some HN readers. Well, they don't read.

What the fuck?

All I said, by using years of flying hundreds of what people might call drones today in support of my statement, is that multicopters are being flown by people in complete disregard for the potential consequences of their actions. And that a system is already in place with rules and a code of conduct for model airplane enthusiasts to follow in the form of a model aircraft community with hundreds of years of history.

In the US most modelers fly under the umbrella AMA rules (and membership): http://www.modelaircraft.org/

This also means I (and other responsible modelers) carry a ONE MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy to cover potential injury and/or damage I may cause. People buying these damn DJI's take them out of the box and go fly them over people and property in completely irresponsible ways and don't even have the consideration to be insured.

As for cars. You know that thing called "road" and that thing called "stop light" and that thing called "rules of the road"? Them's rules. And people behave with reasonable courtesy and care while operating them. What is happening today with drones is the equivalent someone buying a car to then drive it on a busy beach, a park full of kids, your backyard, on the sidewalk, etc.

As for books, well, you are creating a false equivalency and make no sense at all.

That pilot isn't thinking straight. There's a HUGE difference between hitting an organic object (a bird) and a metal and carbon fiber object with lithium polymer battery packs. One will disintegrate. The other can cause severe damage. And, BTW, airliners are not the only full scale ships in the air.

This is not a joke:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/us/california-freeway-fire/

Stop and think.