[arca_vorago]

Oh yeah, its because theyre "damned if they do damned if they dont" all right. Like pushing a color revolution so you can coopt the powrr base is just a "oopsie well we might as well because wed be viewed as damned anyway!" Sort of thing. Does HN really buy this obvious shill propaganda?

[ArkyBeagle]

I don't buy "shill propaganda" because I watch a couple of metric tons of CSPAN every year. The big companies just sponsor these things blindly. It's all rather bland. They do it sort of blindly - and it's not exactly Riefenstahl. It's very grey-corporate boring.

I just meant "damned if you do; damned of you don't" to bring up the odd position Americans find themselves in four generations against the natural grain of American isolationism. The infamous American provincialism is well-won.