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Show HN: Simple tool to manage time on projects for developers and freelancers (loggable.co.uk)
22 points by paulloggable 4900 days ago
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UI could do with quite a bit of extra work, it's also not clear on the pricing table if you're talking about 1 time fees, monthly or yearly.

What happens if the Sumo package get's too small for me?

-- EDIT -- Besides that good work, don't take my comment negatively :)

It's early days so really appreciate the feedback. Perhaps we need a 'bespoke' talk to us option for bigger than Sumo. Also fees are monthly.
What do you think of the pricing and plan options?
Pricing, based on the amount of users, is good. Also nice that you have a free plan for the solo user. But I'm not sure if the user/project ratio is good (the amount of projects per user could be higher).
Thanks, we are currently reviewing our plans, nothing is concrete at the moment and feedback is always appreciated. So potentially we could have a free plan that also includes more users.
Obviously, if there are more users we won't be calling it solo :-)
I find this a very interesting product category - and I'm part of a very (I feel) undeserved category of consultant/freelancers. The essence of what you seem to be doing "uber simple" (the the home page states), is what had me interested.

But, after seeing your video, and the number of times a user has to click on different elements - it's clear this is not a simple logging tool. I also think the video could be (a) called out above the fold and (b) include some sort of voice over.

I feel there is a market ready and waiting for those that work on more abstract sorts of things. Situations where work might form more organically from a blog post on http://blogging.cwl.cc (it's happened) or a small idea (more frequent), and eventually turns into billing or a larger scale project. With tools like these that are project-based - It feels like logging friction is much to high.

The problem is not being solved (in my opinion) because generally no one wants to log what they do, but for those that have decided to do so, there should be little to no clicking and a process to capture everything written in very low overhead manner (mobile support is essential).

So far, no tool seems to be as good as a simple OTA sync'ed calendar. So far.

Thanks for the feedback. We've had a few comments about the video and it's currently under review. I think a series of screencasts with voiceover would help.

It's interesting that you were attracted by its simplicity headline, but that you feel it's not that simple to enter time. We definitely need to address this if it could be streamlined further.

Agreed that mobile support is essential and we are working on resolving this. Low overhead is key.

We are learning a hell of a lot as a result of the feedback on Hacker News and you raise some key fundamentals areas to review.

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to let us know your thoughts.

You're very welcome. I'm reading what I've written and it seems overly critical of your work. I don't want you to feel that's the case; it does look like a wonderful tool and, in the case of a developer or a web freelancer, may be very useful indeed.

I look forward to seeing how this project unfolds and I appreciate you taking the time to read my suggestions.

Kevin

No problem. It's great to get your opinion from a brand new user's perspective. We don't want to build a product we think people will want. Instead we want to help businesses be more profitable and improve their processes. To do this we really need to userstand our markets and messages. Our plan is to review all the feedback, implement and then post on Hacker News when the next iteration that addresses some of the comments is available.
This looks like a pretty cool project. I would love to try it out once your servers cool down, particularly your API. I'm playing around with APIs for Harvest and Freshbooks now. Full disclosure: I created a minimalist time tracking tool for freelancers/agency folks that lowers the barrier to logging your work:

https://timestreamapp.com/

It's not for everyone, but it resonates with some folks (the minimalist UI + keyboard driven nature and available CLI).

Just checked out your app. Really cool app! I like the fact that you can enter statuses from a variety of routes and the video explains it well.
Right on. Thanks Paul. Are you guys planning to open up an API?
Yes we have an API on our roadmap but no exact date of release yet I'm afraid. Still fixing some fundamentals :-) I'm keen to keep abreast of your tool too.
I'm a freelancer and I didn't get a good sense of why I would use your product. Why is analyzing how I spend my time and looking at graphs going to make me more effective? Isn't the goal to spend more time working on projects and less time managing my tools?

I think for many freelancers the question is going to be: why would I stop using Harvest to use your tool? For me, I didn't see the reason.

Not saying you don't have a good product here - just think the marketing message could be clearer.

Thanks for the feedback. We definitely need to work on a clearer marketing message that focuses on the benefits. We use the data from the time logged to assess how accurate our estimates were against actual time to deliver a project so that we improve future quotes for projects. We realised that in addition to quoting time spent developing the ability to review time spent on planning, in meetings and fixing bugs is invaluable information.
I second that, except that I use Toggl, which has a great free layer.
Toggl is a great tool
Huge thanks so far to everyone who has commented. It's really early days and its clear we need to work on the mobile support, pricing plans and most importantly the marketing aspects of the product and website. Really appreciate the feedback.
Here's a recent interview that attempts to explain where we are coming from: http://doeswhat.com/2013/01/17/interview-with-paul-rhodes-lo...
This might help explain it a bit more to get people started, it's on the homepage but can't help to link it: http://vimeo.com/ggapps/loggable-getstarted
Pricing page portion for the Free/Solo package is a bit confusing. "30 Day Free Trial" for a package that is free? Perhaps you could replace it with "Always Free", or "100% Free"
Agreed, good point
Something really basic, but it wouldn't hurt to say that the prices are (I assume) monthly.

Also, having to start writing a project's name to find it is not very efficient.

Interesting, do you think it would be better to replace autocomplete with a standard drop down for the project selector?

Agreed, a couple of people have commented about how to make the pricing plans more obvious and clearer

Worth taking a quick look at the site on a mobile - the homepage is a little messed up... (Android/Chrome)

Good work though! :-)

Yep, we need to work on mobile support - thanks for the heads up
No worries - for the (really) quick (while you have traffic from HN) fix, stick:

@media only screen and (max-width: 800px) { .tuck-corners .headline, .tuck-corners h2 { display:none !important; } }

at the end of your style sheet. It (should!) hide the messy bit on the homepage from smaller screens and let people see/fill in the 30 trial day form.

thanks, much appreciated. We'll get this done once the server cools down. A deployment would kill it :-)
Yep, rough of iPhone, too.
Terrible presentation on that page imho, the video needs to be replaced by a quick blurb explaining the service.
Yep, realised that after I posted, the quality full screen is poor. We do need to work on clearly explaining what it is.
Currently struggling to handle the traffic from Hacker News - please bear with us people
...and we're back :-)
Oh, look.

Lobster.