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SystemD is of out of control. The Best Minimal, Modern, Linux alternative (grigio.org)
6 points by grigio 41 days ago
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Echo'ing a sentiment I've seen previously here, systemd genuinely has to have one the highest haters to benefit-to-humanity ratios of all software projects.

Unless its for a very basic environment, trying to replicate much of what it enables just makes for a far more complicated and error prone system.

100% and when you decide to use something else, you realize why systemd is actually good.
I am not seeing a decent list of alternatives. Here [1] is a list of alternatives if people wish to exclude systemd for whatever reason. It appears someone compromised this wiki based on the top and bottom of the page. Here [2] is the version without the casino links.

There are also a handful of sites that show how to make systemd leaner such as disabling units that are not required, not desired or that are measured as being slow via the "systemd-analyze blame" command but I will just include the alternatives. Just keep in mind some services that are slow also run in the background. e.g.

    52.896s cachyos-rate-mirrors.service
     4.752s dev-tpm0.device
     4.752s sys-devices-platform-MSFT0101:00-tpm-tpm0.device
     4.628s sys-devices-platform-MSFT0101:00-tpmrm-tpmrm0.device
     4.628s dev-tpmrm0.device
     2.417s chronyd.service
[1] - https://without-systemd.org/wiki/index_php/Main_Page/

[2] - http://archive.today/KCcXc [clean version]

I was expecting to read why systemd is out of control but the only thing mentioned is this:

> While systemd is a powerful init system, it has grown far beyond its original purpose, adding features like age verification that many feel don't belong in a core OS component.

Is there a better explanation as to why it is out of control?

That's not even factually correct, systemd doesn't verify anybody's age, it just provides a DBus API to store any date the user enters, in case the OS provides some UI on top of it.

https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_473

That's because it's a slop article and it's only really an advertisement for a particular linux distribution.
systemd haters are out of control.
> When people talk about minimal Linux, they often think of the old days when systems used only 300 MB of RAM.

Wait, what??? No - we think of systems with 4-8MB of RAM and hard drives were <= 120MB (MB, not GB).