I used to think Adobe was in trouble with Stable Diffusion and Midjourney.
Now I realize that Adobe knows how to make money. They'll just add the AI models to Photoshop, Premier, etc and charge an extra $50/month and voila.
However, Stable Diffusion and Midjourney does not have a solid vehicle to making money.
Maybe in the long term, no one will care about using Photoshop anymore. But we're not even close to there yet. AI models seem to make Photoshop even more valuable.
GPT4 is different. OpenAI has made monetization its goal from the start by charging $20/month for GPT4 in ChatGPT and charging loads of money for the API. Also, they have the backing of Microsoft.
I’ve attended two local Adobe Create Now events where they demoed their new AI functionality. It’s so well integrated- I’m impressed despite usually disliking them. The key point I got from both events was their emphasis on training exclusively on content they already had licensed through adobe stock so you wouldn’t need to worry about accidentally infringing so much
Yeah this is my experience as well, gen AI is so well integrated into Photoshop. It's the only software I've used to far where AI integration actually improved the experience. Removing things from pictures used to be a painful process where I'd use the spot heal tool as much as possible then touch up the bad bits manually. Now it's a selection and a sentence, and I have multiple variations I could never have hoped to replicate manually. Same with adding things into photos. Both generating them and blending them in.
What evidence do you see indicating that the 20/month is actually profitable? You make the claim, but you have not backed it up.
They could easily be eating a loss on GPT+ and the GPT4 AI. They have billions in runway to do that. I have not seen any reports about their expenses or profitability. Perhaps you can link me to some hard facts.
Until I see real reason to think otherwise, I'll assume there is a reasonable risk of a price hike
Right now they could hike prices, and I'd have nowhere else to go, because nothing else competes with GPT4.
The good local LLMs are also loss leaders, a company spends a lot of money training a model then gives it away for free in the hopes they can eventually pivot to an actual business model. The work being done with local LLMs seems to take for granted that Mistral and co will just keep shoveling investor money into the furnaces forever to keep the free LLMs coming, and there is no contingency plan for when that money runs out.
Likewise local image generation is almost entirely dependent on the charity of one company, and per the OP that company is on the verge of going broke.
There will be an enshittified ad supported tier. You’ll never know when the model is hallucinating and when it’s actively trying to manipulate you. It’ll be great.
No. I think it's going to get way bigger. When it pops, it will still be bigger than February 2024.
Right now, the companies making money are Microsoft, OpenAI, AI chip makers. Google might join soon if they get their act together. Apple as well.
Basically, only existing large tech companies + OpenAI are making money so far.
However, I expect newer AI-only startups, to start making money in the near future. For example, I can see a company like Devin AI get loads of revenue very quick such as when ChatGPT launched.
As for open source AI companies like Stability, they're in trouble.
Unfortunately, no one has figured out how to make money with open source AI. It used to be that you'd open source your tool, get adoption, then offer a cloud. With open source AI so far, this hasn't come true for whatever reason. Perhaps we're just early.
You have no way of knowing that. Remember, the parent poster is referring to the current ridiculous hype + push of current AI. Current AI models were trained on copyrighted material. Lawsuits are taking place.
Many different members of the US government have indicated that just because AI is new and fancy, does not mean companies get to violate established law, including copyright. The head of the FTC was the most recent person to state this.
OpenAI could very likely be sued out of existence. When that happens, all who invested in them could lose billions. The US government very likely won't intervene because there are multiple lessons to be learned from this.
Courts are there to enforce the law, regardless of how "amazing" a technology may appear.
As a broad advancement that's true, but on individual companies there's going to be a ton that don't make it (which is the case for all companies, but for AI there's a significant number of new ones to fail within the next 10 years).
Except that they're not talking technology, they're talking economics. It may be significantly to earn a profit on selling an iPhone than selling continued AI access at a reasonable price.
We’re very far away from H100 firesales. Pretty sure capacity is booked out for years in advance still so even if it is a bubble and pops they’re unlikely to feature on eBay
Super easy to rack up a hefty bill when you're training AI.
The company I work for is trying to actually tackle this. We all have an AI background and were super sick of the costs. Here's the concept we're building: https://www.trybuild.ai/
In the meantime, we're solving this somewhat manually. Hit me up if you need compute, we can usually find a cheaper alt. https://www.trybuild.ai/m
When they stop running gpt4 as a loss leader, I'll probably lose access.