Upon logging in, I noticed it suddenly downgraded me to free although billing is current. People are reporting they also lost Plus subscriptions and all chat history.
You're probably not downgraded, but rather the UI defaults to free plan, and once the API confirmed you're subscribed, the state switches to the "Plus" one. Same for chat history and more. Just give them moments to restore the backend and it'll come back surely.
Personally I saw "You've been flagged for suspicious traffic" for a few moments before the whole thing went down. I'm not using any extensions or anything extra, just raw vanilla ChatGPT Plus and been using it almost daily since ~1 week after GPT4 launch, with no malicious usage at all. So guessing that was also a temporary message because of some state shenanigans.
It's not getting close to GPT-4. It's getting closer according to synthetic benchmarks but spend any non-trivial time with both and you'll quickly realise GPT-4 is still leagues ahead, especially for writing code and more complex reasoning. Which makes sense since the model is orders of magnitude larger parameter count wise.
Don't get me wrong, it's still remarkable that we already have LLMs that can be ran on consumer grade hardware that are anywhere near GPT-3.5/4 levels. But if you want the absolute highest quality of output GPT-4 is still way to go.
I have found it pretty decent at explaining math and physics concepts, and generating some basic code. It seems over-tuned for code generation (on purpose) as sometimes it inappropriately generates code when asking non-code questions.
Overall, it performs better than GPT-3.5-turbo in many use cases. Harder to quantify the GPT-4 comparison, as there are multiple versions of GPT-4 which are rumored to have significantly varied outputs.
It's definitely worth giving a shot. The parameter size of 34B makes a big difference, and it's been found that you're still better off extremely quantizing a larger-parameter model than using unquantized smaller models.
I have no idea what to do right now, I use ChatGPT all day while studying new concepts. It condenses time needed to understand complex new information by several magnitudes, and at this juncture studying without it seems pointless, it's rapidly become an extra layer in my brain.
Did you read my comment? I'm not saying I'm bored, I'm saying I wasn't initially sure how to best proceed with my day, which involves a lot of fast-paced knowledge acquisition which generalized LLMs make possible.
Next you'll tell me I shouldn't use a calculator, or a computer at all.
The conceptual level at which I work benefits massively from the recent developments in LLMs, and to stop training myself for the new meta means to drastically fall behind and possibly miss my goals. There is absolutely no reason not to evolve alongside this new technology.
Imagine that the calculator breaks, and you need to do some quick math. (Yeah, yeah, I know. Cell Phones and such.) It is good to know how to do math without a calculator for those edge cases where one is not available, or when you can't do the equations that you need with it.
Calculators are good. Calculators are useful. Calculators accelerate your workflow beyond what your ancestors could do. Not knowing how to do math without one is still a hindrance, hence why we still need math classes. You need to know the underlying theory of why the calculators do what they do in order for them to be useful.
It's the same with ChatGPT. ChatGPT is a fantastic tool that can benefit your workflow. I use it all the time myself. However, being 100% dependent on it for work is a dangerous game. If it goes down(like today) or the company behind it makes a change that makes it less useful, you still need to know how to do your job without it. That's why OP's comment is worrying. They said that they feel unable to work without it. It reminds me of that Avengers quote: "If you are nothing without the Iron Man suit, you shouldn't have it."
The point of my previous comment was that the kind of work I do is not "quick math" and taking GPT out of the equations reduces my velocity by magnitudes. Calculators aren't going to disappear and no astrophysicist is going to do massive multi-dimensional calculations by hand.
> If you are nothing without the Iron Man suit, you shouldn't have it.
It's a nice thought, but I can apply this chain of reasoning to no end of technologies without which scientific progress in a given domain would entirely halt.
> Taking GPT out of the equations reduces my velocity by magnitudes.
But you should still know how to do it regardless. Because of situations like this. That is the point of my comment. If you can't do your job without ChatGPT, you don't have any business working in your field to begin with. Even if it's at a reduced speed, you still need to know how to do your job.
>It's a nice thought, but I can apply this chain of reasoning to no end of technologies without which scientific progress in a given domain would entirely halt.
Not really. To do advanced stuff you have to understand the basics. This goes for almost every field. You can't build the next-level Javascript app without knowing what an if-else does. You can't be a doctor without knowing a little chemistry and biology. Even in a job like construction, you need to be able to do simple math to make sure your measurements are correct.
Saying that advanced tools should be used for things like programming without understanding the basics is a logical fallacy. It's the same argument that managers sometimes use. You know, the "programmers only copy and paste from stack overflow. Why do we pay you so much?" Asking chatGPT for code means nothing if you don't know how to apply it and search for bugs. And to use code from ChatGPT, you need to know how to do your job without it. Otherwise, you will only produce code that, at best, sucks and, at worst, doesn't work.
The calculator is not a service but a tool. Until LLMS don't become just a tool don't rely on them too much or expect it be broken and have a workaround for that.
I have backup local LLMs which I used during the outage. This doesn't prevent the fact that for now, ChatGPT-4 wins out in output quality.
This won't remain true for long and so it is actually harmful to my career to not invest time learning how to use these tools now, instead of waiting for the time when they are perfect.
ChatGPT is the black box that is pushing the buttons of the calculator for you. You don’t learn maths or programming with this service.
If the calculator is broken, I can still work slowly but I understand what I do. Without experience, you can’t understand what the black box is giving you.
This is why wherever I travel in the world I print out paper maps of every city and village I think I might go, I don't want to get a dependency on a digital map. My paper maps have a 100% uptime.
I just use it to kick start my learning process. It's basically the quick summary of Topic. And I ask GPT to cite sources. Then you can jump into to more authoritative articles/etc. Can't trust it blindly.
Yeah but if I'm doing research online I'm going to stick with sources I consider reliable, written by real people and not a text generator. So I'm not sure I understand the comparison you're trying to make.
I read scientific papers, articles and references in one pane while keeping GPT open in another pane to help me make the most use out of the knowledge in the quickest timeframe. I frequently browse additional resources in order to corroborate information.
Please do not project onto me. Ask questions about my process before assuming I'm "depriving myself", which you are likely ironically doing yourself in light of your attitude towards GPT.
have you ever considered devoting your full attention to what you're reading? And that doing that enough will improve your scientific reading comprehension to the point you don't need to rely on chatgpt mangling the information into nonsense?
The simple answer is don't rely on information you find on the internet, SEO killed that years ago. And chatgpt was trained on that awful mess. Go read an actual book
You and your sibling commenters made a lot of assumptions about my workflow without asking the right questions, and by and large you are totally wrong about my approach.
Try out Bing Chat. GPT4 is the basis for Bing Chat. It can be annoying with its message limits, lack of chat history, and tendency to point you to websites. Though, you can switch it to creative mode which is pretty similar to the workflow of ChatGPT, the GPT4 version.
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, Bing Chat leaves a bad taste in my mouth due to user agent restriction and other shitty behaviors, which I have no desire to work around.
Chatbox is neat. I have API access but I'd rather not pay for large-context GPT-4 requests while I already have pro, it's good to spend this time improving on llama.cpp's built-in chat server if you ask me :)
it generally seems to be entirely seperated ive had multiple instances where the ui was slow, but i could easily use the api, i ended up building my own client for funs and its pretty useful now aswell :)
Unless development is freezed, I don't think locally hosted LLMs have a 100% uptime, but surely the uptime is much greater than OpenAI's ChatGPT uptime at this point.
https://status.openai.com/
Upon logging in, I noticed it suddenly downgraded me to free although billing is current. People are reporting they also lost Plus subscriptions and all chat history.
https://community.openai.com/t/suddenly-downgraded-to-free/9...
I also got blocked by Cloudflare, so am unable to post with my Ray IDs. People are also reporting this.
https://community.openai.com/t/im-blocked-i-don1t-know-why/3...
People are reporting issues here:
https://community.openai.com/c/chatgpt/19