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Joe Biden announces re-election run (twitter.com)
15 points by elmalto 1145 days ago
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It's bizarre no one else form the party is willing to step up.
Non-fringe challengers to incumbent Presidents from within their own party are rare since (1) they are essentially guaranteed to lose the nonination contest, (2) they weaken the party in the general, and (3) running such a campaign (because of #2) burns bridges in the party for the candidate for a future run that isn’t against an in-party incumbent.
If you think about it, you're telling me that detailed intelligent assessment of the situation is irrelevant, as the party behaves according to a basic, short list of absolute rules, which are considered non-negotiable, can't be questioned, and have no chance of being broken.

In essence, the party is stupid. Both are, obviously.

And... this is exactly the problem. People together are supposed to be greater than the sum of us. But we see exactly the opposite. We discard our intelligence in favor of much simpler institutional and cultural algorithms, which fail us repeatedly. Extremely frustrating.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Marianne Williamson so far. Apparently Joe Manchin is considering it.

The reason you haven't heard of it is the reason running against your own party's encumbent President is historically a bad idea.

They decided to drop debates too. Makes sense, there's no point to that.
No point for who?

For Joe Biden? Absolutely. For the other candidates? There absolutely is a point.

For the party as a whole? Depends on what they want. Do they want the best candidate they can get? Or do they want their preferred candidate to be undamaged?

(And why should they tilt the scales in the direction of a "preferred" candidate? Arguably, it worked for them in 2020 - they avoided a messy primary that would have weakened whoever the candidate was. An unweakened Biden then defeated Trump. But in 2016, the preference for Hillary - or at least the hard feelings caused by the shenanigans in her favor - arguably led to Trump winning.)

I'm hoping he was being sarcastic.
Those parties are literally run like a Hollywood studio.

"Let's see if we can get a Biden sequel going in, if not, maybe we can use other existing IP, like a Kennedy. What other things are popular now? Women! Oof, Hillary in 2016, though, that underperformed at the box office..."

I mean, you're not wrong, but the sitting President always runs for a second term when feasible (barring exceptions I cant think of off the top of my head at the moment.) That the best position of strength to be in for an encumbent party, otherwise you risk splitting the vote on behalf of the other side.

Also, the narrative that Hillary Clinton somehow failed spectacularly is a retrofiction. She got millions more votes than Trump, it just didn't actually matter because she didn't campaign well enough in the correct states.

Hillary ran the most entitled campaign I have seen in my lifetime. She failed spectacularly, because she should have won.

If the Democrats had run any candidate less flawed than Hillary, they would have won in 2016.

> Also, the narrative that Hillary Clinton somehow failed spectacularly is a retrofiction

No, its not. Trump was, on most indicators of strength prior to the election, either the weakest or second weakest general election candidate in the history of the kind of indicators from which you could judge this, with Clinton as his only close competition (Trump’s negatives across the electoratrs were higher, but Clinton’s were nearly as high and by all indications firmer). Losing to Trump was, itself, a monumental underperformance.

> She got millions more votes than Trump, it just didn't actually matter because she didn't campaign well enough in the correct states.

Yes, well, getting the right votes are part of campaign performance. Yes, it sucks that the US has a bad and undemocratic system of Presidential elections, but that’s a known part of the system that campaigns address from day one.

(That said, concluding from Hillary’s performance as a uniquely bad general election candidate for reasons that were apparent long before the election that have nothing to do with her gender that there is a general weakness of women as candidates, as suggested upthread, would be a mistake.)

I think Republicans are eventually going to have to be popular (ie. win the popular vote) to have an effective president. Just skimming by on electoral votes makes for ineffective executives.
I've concluded that women are weak candidates for president based on the fact that no woman has ever won the presidency in over two centuries.

And I really don't think Trump is all that weak a candidate. He might have faced a bit of reluctance in 2016, but didn't he get the 2nd most votes of any presidential candidate ever in 2020? 1st ever being Biden? And now he's cruising to presumably his third major party nomination. He might not be exactly conventionally popular, but I would not call whatever he is weak.

Biden is of fragile state at this point. It's just insane to make him go through another 4 years of this. It's nuts that we're even discussing with a straight face that traditionally we do such and such.

What the heck are our priorities here?

Sure Jan. Did he catch the crippling dementia again?
Can Chat GPT run? Is it legally possible? Like Kasporov vs deep blue.
> Can Chat GPT run? Is it legally possible?

No, computer software, rocks, old shoes, and other things that aren’t people cannot run for the Presidency.

And even if we were to consider it a person, it's not old enough.
No. Must be a legally born US citizen, have been a citizen for at least 14 years meaning one could leave the country for a while and at least age 35. A president could of course use LLM's as resources if they felt it appropriate.
> have been a citizen for at least 14 years meaning one could leave the country for a while and at least age 35.

You don't lose your citizenship when you leave the country. You'd have to give up your American citizenship somehow, like Boris Johnson did. Hmm...he could actually move back here, become a US citizen again, 14 years later run for president, and be the first one to have lead both the UK and the US?

Edit: he just needs to have lived in the US for 14 years, not have been a citizen for 14 years. He would still probably need to re-establish his US citizenship before running (but the constitution isn't exactly clear if a natural born US citizen but not a US citizen now can run for president after living in the USA for 14 years; its unlikely to ever come up anyways).