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Open-Sourcing My YC Application (Athens Research, W21) (hardpivot.substack.com)
111 points by tangjeff0 1173 days ago
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Oh, that application sounds familiar.

A mention for those who helped a bit on the application as a token of appreciation would had been nice...

Updated the end of post:

> Shout out to Syrus Akbury (W19), Ian Tien (S12), and Taariq Lewis (S15) for encouraging me to apply and helping me with my application way back when :)

But seriously, thank you so much Syrus! I was thinking about you 3 the whole time while I wrote the post, hoping it would help someone else like how you helped me!

It was my pleasure.

Let’s keep the chain going!

Given that you helped on it, what do you think made it stand out? From just reading through it, to me personally it doesn’t sound super in-depth or convincing, but I’d like to learn what I’m missing.
When I asked some of my partners what it was about me/my application that got us in, this is what I heard:

1. We had revenue, meaning we weren't afraid to charge. Many first founders are afraid of charging, and there is step-wise more validation having $100/month than $0.

2. We had a product that my partners could actually download and use.

3. "You seemed young and hungry. And I like young and hungry." - Michael Seibel

Unfortunately, I don't have the video of how our actual interview went. I think that would've been very informative too.

Thanks for replying yourself! That makes sense.

Following on, how did your interview go and what do you think made you stand out there? (or if you write a blog post on that separately I’d be very interested)

I can remember two questions from Michael Seibel:

1) He asked something about if I was going to find a co-founder or not. I think I said that we started getting traction pretty fast without one and I wasn't going to wait for a co-founder to appear -- cofounders are not something to force. I think this is how he observed that I was "young and hungry." 2) He asked about why I thought open-source was a key differentiator. I said it wasn't, it was just good marketing, and thought you can build the best product without being open-source. I think this turned out to be true. Some arguments for open-source are that it is better for extensibility, privacy, and community. Obsidian does a great job of these 3 things, arguably the best in the networked note-taking app category, despite being closed-source.

I remember both of these questions actually causing Michael and the other partners on the call to pause and think about what I said, because it wasn't necessarily what they expected. Expected answers to these questions might be: "I'm looking for a co-founder" and "Open-source is better because X/Y/Z" given that I had marketed Athens as "open-source Roam" for the first 1 year and throughout YC.

I thought I bombed the interview because I remember being pretty shocked and speechless when they gave me a call saying I got in.

Thanks man, very insightful!
what you are missing is that the most important thing is knowing the right people
If you dont mind me asking, what happened to Athens ? Why did it shut down ?
There's an explanation here:

https://twitter.com/AthensResearch/status/159113849137912217...

Basically, looks like they wasted a lot of time building collaborative knowledge graph features, and then realized no one really wanted them. By that point there were mature single-user alternatives and they were no longer competitive.

That's right! We made a bet on collaboration because everyone was already doing single player.

Now there are even more single-player tools, they are all still competing with each other, and implementing the same features, i.e. wrappers around GPT-3. Super happy with the bet we made :)

Did you also apply in the batch before your successful application?
This was my first application to YC.
wow! the YC application has changed quite a bit since the early days. Employment history and "Should you be selected for interview, we may ask for references"!
who at YC did you talk to and get help from before applying?
See my comment to @Syrusakbary