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Twitter Engineers Are Resigning (twitter.com)
33 points by koyanisqatsi 1327 days ago
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People worthy of respect. Likely excellent at their job as well. Those who cant leave right now time your exit mid project. Treat musk as he treats his employees.
This is unfair to these who will stay. Musk will see or feel no difference, he is quite insulated from all that, but immediate colleagues of these who quit will feel the heat strongly.

Company is not only "proverbial Musk".

> This is unfair to these who will stay. Musk will see or feel no difference, he is quite insulated from all that, but immediate colleagues of these who quit will feel the heat strongly.

That kind of thinking is misplaced loyalty: you think you're being loyal to your colleagues, but really you're being loyal to the owner. Trying to protect your colleagues from a toxic workplace is just a recipe for more toxicity.

Musk will see or feel a difference if Twitter's technology organization collapses to the point that they have trouble maintaining the site (e.g. return of the fail whale).

How's "protecting your colleagues from a toxic space is a recipe for more toxicity"? And there should be no "trying" there. I fail to see a line that you drawn.

Please, explain.

Replace "colleagues" with "siblings," and "toxicity" with "alcoholic parent." Maybe that will make it more clear. By "going along with" the situation, you are enabling it. Of course, it's complicated. Enabling a bad situation might provide cover for other people (as you suggested), but it also perpetuates the bad situation. My personal belief is that if I can get out without endangering myself or others, I should. My act will help empower others to make the same decision.
I think you have employed reduction to absurdity to make it "more clear".

No, the situations are profoundly different.

> How's "protecting your colleagues from a toxic space is a recipe for more toxicity"? And there should be no "trying" there. I fail to see a line that you drawn.

You almost certainly don't have the power to "protect your colleagues from a toxic workplace," especially by the mere act of not quitting. So all you can do is try and fail.

If you leave, you have a better chances of actually making things better for yourself, and that may cause the dominoes to fall and get others do the same.

Protection is not an absolute term. My (in)action can be more or less protective, more or less helpful.

Others can be quite not ready to do the same as I do or plan to do. By helping them to do what they can do best, I am too doing my best.

And I am not even talking about definition of toxicity in work place. What one can see as a dream work place, others can see as a toxic wasteland.

Next update, full self tweeting..

In all seriousness, I find it an interesting case. There is a lot of speculation on how essential individuals and teams are to a business, let's check back here in a year or so.

At my current gig, some key engineers were let go of, and certain parts of the stack are struggling (and they are reaching out via backchannels). At the same time, the graveyard is filled with irreplaceable people...

Wild ride for sure at Twitter engineering right now.

isn't it obvious that twitter is the de facto public square, dominated by liberals and operated in a way to bias society?

and now that a vaguely not-beholden-to-democrats figure is in power they're all switching their tune to disingenuous free speech advocacy?