I love that this happens to larger libraries now. It doesn't need to be 100% complete, but it will still improve many devs' lives. I hope it will become the default for new projects and major updates.
The scope is much more limited in his case. When the problem space is super narrow and the base language is your whole environment, writing correct code in a big batch is not that hard. On the other hand, dealing with flask and basically the whole stack of everything web at the same time is a different kind of challenge.
Writing code by hand isn't too bad, especially with a good language like LISP. I don't think it requires too much extra effort, just more attention and care as to not make syntax mistakes. With near-instant compile times and auto-linting, we sort of lose the ability to auto-vet code before inputting it.
> Warning: This is the development version. The latest stable version is Version 1.1.x.
I couldn't find a way to close the top banner. So I clicked around and found out this page had a bug. In the bottom right corner there is button to select the version of flask.
No one ever lists the features I really want. Like, will I understand it 6 months after I wrote it. And do the stack traces point to exactly what went wrong. I generally find any framework that's easy to get started is harder to maintain.
Nice, I'll have to try it out - Swagger UI has always been a pain with various add-ons in Flask, and it looks like it's built-in and easy with FastAPI.
Flask is still my go-to Python web framework. Ten years on, and I haven't stopped loving how small, elegant, and flexible it is. It set the bar for many other similar projects.
I've been working on an async project for a while using Sanic, and it's just crazy what a long shadow Flask has cast over the whole Python web framework ecosystem— there's just a default assumption that whatever you're doing, it needs to basically have the interface and ergonomics of Flask.
Both frameworks can coexist in the same codebase if you use the WSGIMiddleware module [0]. It's a bit easier to get it running with Flask than with Django. The issue with Django is getting the static assets to work. The easiest way I've found is to run collectstatic in Django and serve the output folder through FastAPI.
I've moved most of my Flask projects to Express and NodeJS.
Flask was just a PITA to deploy properly in a way that it could handle lots of concurrent connections without a massive memory footprint, and async in Python is a mess.
The JS ecosystem has on the other hand moved to async and Promises as the standand/default way to implement things, which makes things much easier.
Express middleware is also just easier to write than Flask middleware.
I’ve heard this a lot of late, but it’s not clear to me why. Would you be willing to expand on your assertion?
Personally, I’ve written a fair chunk of typescript and asyncio based Python over the year for a project and in general I think Python has done an excellent job of their implementation.
Some things are annoying; for example I’ve a consistent case, which I haven’t pared down to better understand, where by exceptions in a coro are never visible. Not to be confused with the classic case of being notified of the exception when your process shuts down.
OTOH some things are really amazing, for example PYTHONASYNCIODEBUG=1. More so the ability to wrap non async, typically blocking, code in an Executor and it “magically” (via thread pools) work in the event loop has also been a boon for the type of work I’m engaged in.
Waaaaay back, I was really hurt by twisted and to a lesser extent tornado. But the async stuff shipped in 3.9x seems completely comparable to JavaScript imho.
You looked into using gevent workers? Sometimes you need to make tweaks to C-based dependencies to make them not block the event loop, but it should work fine for doing a lot of concurrency without a bunch of rewriting. Usually your bottleneck is your database anyway.
If you like Express and writing middleware in Express, you will love Koa. Its written by the same team that wrote Express so it will be familiar. It makes more use of async/await than Express too.
> Flask was just a PITA to deploy properly in a way that it could handle lots of concurrent connections without a massive memory footprint, and async in Python is a mess.
That makes me concerned. Does anyone here know if FastAPI is better? How many concurrent connections could your Express app handle at once?
Yes. Night and day. I haven't got too deep into it, but FastApi allows writing async def right out of the box, super easy to set up. Uvicorn is stupid fast and easily configurable. There is also fledgeling asgi (async wsgi) support iirc.
Python 3 released on '08. Flask debuted a couple of years later in 2010, on Python 2. 11.5 years later Python 2 is nearly in the rearview. The history of the Python 3 release is surely an impressive one.
On a more related note, props to devs/contributors for this release. My experience with Flask was pop-up projects and never mission critical, but i always found it a joy to use and quite intuitive.
You would be surprised by the amount of mission-critical code which runs on Flask.
Flask is a great library which gets out of your way - I find it a joy to use compared to Django.
Although there are some dark sides, particularly with how Flask interacts with Werkzeug during exceptions when you need CORS (for example, we can't overwrite exception page's Access-Control-Allow-Origin headers with @app.after_request since these headers are set by Werkzeug and can't be overwritten in Flask).
This prevents us from levering Flask's default except handler in certain environments which require custom headers for exception handling page.
I'm aware about the ability to overwrite error handler with a custom code, but Werkzeug's handler already supports pretty stack traces and much more, and I would rather not re-invent the wheel from scratch.
I was talking about using werkzeug's builtin exception handler but with custom headers - which doesn't appear to be supported.
that is not supported. But why would you want to serve that with CORS headers? It's only meant to be displayed in the browser and in dev environment, not production
It’s not rocking my world, but I know which one I’d rather grep for (especially if the methods kwarg got pushed down to another line due to formatting).
> Add route decorators for common HTTP methods. For example, @app.post("/login") is a shortcut for @app.route("/login", methods=["POST"]). #3907
Why? By default, it’s GET if you don’t specify a method. But now with this change, for special routes such as “/login” it’s POST. IMO these kinds of things make for “gotcha” moments. Just keep defaults simple without special exceptions.
I think you've misread the change, it's nothing to do with login being a special case, it's about moving the HTTP method from the methods argument to the function name.
https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/master/changes/