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Yeah, I deleted mine. IDK what is it about Twitter that goads me into speaking Snarkish. Distrust WRT their intentions? The general atmosphere of the place?
Around 2009 (the failed Iranian Green Revolution), social networks felt on the side of freedom. Nowadays they fill me with negativity.
For all of the snark that is coming from other commenters, I'm excited to see more engineering talent being pulled to more diverse locations than "the Bay Area" and the rest of the US. Technology and Engineering is not limited to one or two countries, and having a presence in a place the is missing opportunity seems like a win.
Admittedly, Twitter is not my first choice of employer, but it could've been worse. Could've been Facebook.
HN has always felt rather US-centric and IMO it really reflects in the response that this type of news gets.
For Twitter, increasing its international presence and talent pool is a big win. The community stands to benefit in the opportunities the tech giant can provide.
Totally agree with this. I think it will help develop the capital and talent to accelerate more new tech startups in Africa. Developers with more money and more experience with large projects will mean that some of them will go on to start their own companies, sometimes as competing companies, that will focus on local needs and culture.
As am I. The product is already available on the continent. It'll be great to have locals providing input on shaping it for the local environment and giving their perspective. Plus, hopefully high paying jobs!
I spent a year in Ghana in 2017, and I had the pleasure of meeting numerous software engineers and tech entrepreneurs who were doing extremely high quality work for 1-2k USD / month (if they were lucky). Having companies like twitter on the African continent will provide massive economic opportunity, and social mobility.
Any recommendations on places to visit and stay for someone thinking of spending a few months in Africa to better understand the region? Likely this summer/fall (Ghana, Cote d'Ivoire, Nigeria, Rwanda, and Ethiopia are high on my list as I've done minimal traveling in the region outside the south).
You could honestly spend a month in any of those countries, and barely scratch the surface of all the cultures, people, and ecosystems. I would highly recommend Ghana as a base, due to its stability, infrastructure, and low corruption. If you send me an email (link in profile), I'd be happy to connect you with interesting people in most of the countries you listed as well as Kenya.
If you'd like to visit Lagos, shoot me an email (me at [username] dot com) and I can send you some tips/places you might be interested in.
(I think the weirdest tip I have about Lagos is that it's actually a decent whale-watching spot. We get humpback whales in particular from May-ish to September-ish, much more in the latter months.)
Depends on what you want to do. There are waterfalls, national parks, mini safaris, night clubs, beaches, culinary festivals and art events. There is always something going on.
One of the big problems you tend to run in with these kind of things are visa regulations; turns out that getting a work visa for a lot of these countries can actually be harder than getting one for a Western country. Especially if you're "just a guy" rather than a big company (i.e. me) it's pretty hard.
I live in Indonesia on the "series of tourist visas" work-around. Getting a work visa is hard because I don't have an Indonesian employer to sponsor me or the money to start a proper entrepreneur visa. There are probably some work-around available by having an Indonesian found the company and "employ" me, but it's all very iffy and quickly becomes complex. When I looked at options a few years ago something similar applied to most countries.
It's their country and they can do what they want, but it seems to me that it's kind of a missed opportunity.
Under 2k/mo translates to an annual earnings around 12-15k (when you account for employee overhead) which is somewhere between 6.15-7.69/hr - even if we allow for the full 2k to be an actual employee earning you're still only looking at 11.79/hr which isn't nothing but is still absolute peanuts for software developers in euros. I guess, going by median salary, you'd probably be able to snag two devs in Belarus[1] for that much?
A lot of people seem to think this is bad because it looks like colonialism. I think that’s a bad take. Indeed there’s an evil history of western exploitation of Africans. That consists of territorial conquest, slavery, stripping of natural resources.
Every country that managed to get out of poverty did it by moving up the value chain from subsistence farming to eg. textile manufacturing to eg. electronics.
Here, Twitter is hiring knowledge workers and paying them a good wage. They aren’t enslaving anyone. Ghana is growing a middle class, entering the tech industry, and will be able to enjoy a bigger share of the wealth created in the global economy. It’s great news.
When countries get excluded from trading with the West and from accessing western tech, it does great harm to them. (e.g. the history of trade embargoes against Iran, something which is a serious problem for both the country and anyone from there wishing to leave and move elsewhere)
Self exclusion isn't necessarily a better thing. It's complicated to actually remedy this history.
> Every country that managed to get out of poverty did it by moving up the value chain from subsistence farming to eg. textile manufacturing to eg. electronics.
Yes, but they also built domestic industries which had its gains taxed and used to improve the nation. Doesn't work as well when an international corporation books all of the profits overseas.
Twitter’s operating margin in 2020 was 1% (in previous years it was negative). Most of its revenue went to compensating employees. Governments can make a lot more money taxing Twitter’s payroll than they can by taxing its profits.
I should be clearer. I don't mean corporate taxes, I mean capital gains. Ghanaian engineers will produce intellectual capital for Twitter, whose value will be primarily sent back to the United States.
On other hand those engineers get wages which are taxed and spend on local economy. So I think that side is positive, even if intellectual capital is moved. Now if local market share will be lost to big international companies, that is certainly negative for a country.
There is a lot of tax revenue to be had - but we still can't excuse the elephant in the room which is that tech companies avoid taxes like nobodies business since the tax code still isn't well suited to actually evaluating how they earn money.
They still haven't figured out how to avoid payroll taxes, however. This argument is a red herring, as it usually focuses exclusively corporate income taxes and ignores the multitude of other taxes corporations have to pay to conduct business.
It's very interesting to me that the people who get paid frankly obscene amounts of money to build tech are suddenly full of concern when people in the developing world also have a chance to make said obscene amounts of money.
Suddenly everyone is an expert on colonialism and international relations.
This is absurd. I don't know why but modern politics is just plain self destructive.
You get people like this criticizing even the most minor form of foreign employment from a western corporation but absolutely nobody gives a crap when foreign aid is used to subsidize weapons manufacturers and directly destabilize a country by providing perverse incentives.
You dismiss dependence on westerners for employment but do you know what the alternative is? The alternative is to do everything yourself and there is no way you can compete against western nations because they band together while every African nation tries to stay independent and dislikes their neighbor just as much as they dislike westerners.
Ghana is a former British colony (Gold Coast) that gained independence in 1957, it is already highly westernized, certainly in Accra (where I have to assume Twitter GH is going to be based - maybe Kumasi?). I'm firmly anti colonialist but I don't think this is that at all.
Aligned with our existing WFH policies, we look forward to welcoming and onboarding our new team members remotely so that we can make an immediate impact while we explore the opportunity to open an office in Ghana in the future.
Why Ghana?
As a champion for democracy, Ghana is a supporter of free speech, online freedom, and the Open Internet, of which Twitter is also an advocate.
I'm impressed with how much they have thought about some of the logistics here. If you are running a business and trying to learn how to grow bigger, this is something to pay attention to and contemplate.
I'm more impressed how anyone can write that last sentence and not die of laughter. Twitter - the bastion of online freedom and free speech. Whoevers brainchild this is perfected mental gymnastics to mastery.
I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and rape. I routinely speak on such topics in order to educate people and try to advocate for survivors, among other things.
I am routinely accused of being "a rape apologist."
I have no idea if Twitter is really a bastion of online free speech or not. But I do know that if you do anything meaningful in this world, people will drag you for it and one of the most common attacks is to claim you are doing the exact opposite of your intentions, whether that is true or not.
Twitter censors both what you are allowed to post (far in excess of what is legally prohibited), but, more importantly (and the reason I left after a dozen years on the platform) they censor search, too, deciding for themselves that they know better than you regarding what you should be allowed to read.
Twitter espousing free expression is sort of like Google espousing privacy. It's farce, plain and simple.
Microsoft has has software development centers in Kenya and Nigeria for a couple years now. [1] I'm glad to see other western tech companies moving into sub-Saharan Africa. Hope it's a trend - at MSFT we had some success there!
Looking at the top 3 US Public Cloud providers, Microsoft has a lot to be proud of [1]. I think Microsoft's old-line enterprise/government software business has given them a sales lead over the others, but they've also made big capital investments here in local infrastructure.
I think there's a massive, missed opportunity to build renewable-resource powered data centers to drive the compute tasks needed elsewhere, investing in local talent and infrastructure at the same time.
The comments on the thread surprises me. Some seem to imply that this a negative development.
Whereas in Africa here people are happy for this development.
I can assure you that the only eyebrows raised are so because every country feels Twitter should have come to theirs. This is big win for Ghana. In fact, many Nigerians are chastising their government at the moment for not being able to attract Twitter due to their instability and corruption
Really great move by Twitter. There's lots of amazing programmers in African countries like Ghana and Nigeria, but not enough employers are taking advantage. I suspect Twitter will be the first of many companies to start hiring in the region.
I think worldwide that this entire discussion about Africa is too reductive.
Like, even here the title and the African director are writing about the African community but referring to an improving sector within Ghana.
This in turn has the rest of us continuing to talk about Africa in an unnuanced and defensive or unproductive way.
A regional data center serving the African continent is establishing presence in Africa. This would be the same standard as other infrastructure projects in other continents.
A hiring practice or office in a city in one country is establishing a presence in that country. This would be the same standard as other company expansions in other countries.
I think this is a humble ask, as people are excited about attention to the African continent and integration to the global growth community, however there are very many hurdles towards a unified African market and I don't really think thats the focus or most productive goal. It is a fiction to refer to it as such for a place with 50 to 100 regional markets, almost infinite permutations with their own problems and benefits.
>"To truly serve the public conversation, we must be more immersed in the rich and vibrant communities that drive the conversations taking place every day across the African continent."
So they correctly acknowledge that those communities are already engaged in conversations. How does encouraging these same folks to Tweet at each other improve upon the way they are already conversing? Twitter seems to have appropriated the word "conversation" the same way Facebook has done for the word "friend". That is to say completely redefined it to suit their own business objectives.
I'm glad they're hiring in Africa. There's tons of really smart people there doing interesting things. It's also a very young place per capita. Why couldn't they just say as much though and leave it at that? Instead they decided couch the whole thing in this cringeworthy bit of "noblesse oblige."
There are a lot of Ghanaians in Silicon Valley (relative to other African countries). I wonder how many of them will take this opportunity to move back home. One problem though is at least right now you’d be tied to one employer.
This is generally how startup ecosystems start, though, with knowledgable people leaving established companies and hopefully starting up or contributing new ones.
Good for them, that is pulling money from big companies. To local economies with minimal spending of natural resources. Sometimes you have to work with evil to do good for local community. I just hope they have sense not get too involved on platform itself.
Reasonable out-sourcing can be pretty good for a country. I just hope Twitter doesn't steal market share from local companies with this...
Was kind of surprised they didn't pick a place like Kenya (Nairobi is a huge international hub). The reasons for Ghana seem great, but again, wasn't the first choice I thought they might make!
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I know it's pessimistic but that's what I thought as well. This post isn't about the Twitter service becoming available I know, but still, starting a presence there will probably increase usage which in turn will probably add a couple of countries to the "divided by social media" list.
> Twitter’s mission is to serve the public conversation
And in the first several words, they've already lied through their teeth. It is very clear that Twitter's primary desire is to steer and shape conversation. One look at the 'passive voice' editorializing of their 'trending' feed is all it takes to confirm that.
Given the primary link was to a Twitter press release, I think it is fair to address the supporting claims the release makes. Not intending to flame or provoke.
I wouldn't describe the GP as "addressing claims". It's denunciatory rhetoric, which is the flamewar style we don't want here. Thoughtful critique is something quite different, and would be fine.
I don't agree with you, but "steering and shaping" could very well be construed "to serve the public conversation". Nothing in that servitude implies passive impartiality.
Africans already have access to twitter, they’re on the same Internet as everyone else.
This post is about hiring in Africa; if they’re getting the negative effects already they may as well try and get the positive benefits, like high paying multinational jobs, out of it.
It's so sad but I feel the same. The world would be better off without Twitter. There is no platform that catalysts fringe insania as much as Twitter. It leads to the mainstreaming of extremist options as these don't stay any longer in their gated black holes.
I understand Twitter is already accessible to African users, and this blog post is about expanding Twitter's employment presence in Africa. That said, I really don't want to see Twitter or other Western technology companies extend their tentacles further into Asia or Africa. The immense influence these Silicon Valley companies have in shaping public conversation and culture threatens all other cultures and diversity of thought globally. The adoption of Twitter amounts to digital colonization, a vehicle for cultural globalization that homogenizes societies in the shape of American progressive culture.
I really find Twitter's blog post to be deceptive and tone deaf. For example consider this:
> As a champion for democracy, Ghana is a supporter of free speech, online freedom, and the Open Internet, of which Twitter is also an advocate.
Twitter heavily censors moderates and conservatives in America on any controversial topic that is current - whether that is COVID-19, or gender identity, or immigration, or whatever else. Africa is a lot more conservative than Silicon Valley and holds very different viewpoints on life, morality, ethics, law, politics, etc. Is Twitter going to censor African users and steer their speech as well? If so how can it possibly claim to be an advocate for free speech at all?
Another problematic statement:
> We still have much to learn but we are excited to listen, learn, and engage. Public conversation is essential to solving problems, building shared ideas, and pushing us all forward together.
When has Twitter ever listened to those who think differently from its employee base? I don't think Twitter has listened or learned at all, even in the US where it is reasonable to expect that they would understand their user base better and cater to all viewpoints better. Instead, their playbook seems to be to impose the worldview of their employees and vocal activists on the entire planet. Whether intended or not, the effect of Twitter's adoption in other nations is propagandist, and I find it to be as repulsive as physical colonization.
I hope users in Africa are alert enough to realize that they should use a local platform, or at least one that is more honestly in favor of free speech, rather than one originating from Silicon Valley. European leaders are already waking up to the existential threat Western influence poses to their culture (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threa...), and China was of course well ahead of other nations in seeing the threat of cultural erasure coming from America. Africa, a continent on the rise and on a path towards global prominence, should be similarly wise.
The utter absence of self awareness on the part of Twitter is really impressive. Like it took either enormous brass balls, monumental stupidity, or enthusiastic self deception to write and stand behind that press release. Twitter exists to make money from ad revenue and has consistently demonstrated zero credible concern for any objective that isn’t furthering that interest.
“Then you have these tone-deaf millionaires going around imposing their preferences, like Twitter's Jack Dorsey and Jay-Z investing 500 bitcoin toward bitcoin development in Africa which will supposedly empower its population. Vested interests anyone?” —https://www.cynicusrex.com/file/cryptocultscience.html
I honestly got absolutely none of that sentiment reading their press release - it reads just like "Twitter is opening a new office in Mexico to specifically support spanish language speakers - we chose Mexico as it has recently been appointed as the lead on the central american economic council..."
I think you're reading too much into Africa when a much simpler explanation is that Ghana isn't a country you can paint as "a developing African nation" - it's a stable country[1] with a rapidly growing middle class and low CoL.
Post soviet collapse eastern europe had a lot of highly trained folks and extremely low CoL so Microsoft and other folks moved into that area aggressively - Ghana looks like it's the next good market to go into aggressively.
Yup, we definitely need to have one of the biggest groupthink platforms instated in one of the most unstable regions of the Old World. Great job, guys! /s
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