This doesn't seem to address the problem outlined in the original article. It seems to be arguing that people shouldn't be paid for lousy work, but that isn't at all what the original article was talking about.
Being rich inherently gives one a voice, being right does not. If the truth is inconvenient to the rich then it will face an uphill battle against the well funded lies.
I don't understand what this is even about? They didn't bother to get the original author's name right ("Nathan Robinson"), and they seem to be arguing with some strawman that every piece of creative output must be compensated? But there's no substance to that argument either, just a bald assertion that sometimes you don't get paid for things?
I think the author's point is inferable from these two observations.
> Creators needn’t be compensated well just because they are creators.
> Neither must useful works of every kind cost nothing to everyone.
Obviously this author knows that if poor quality cheap information proliferates and high quality information remains costly then people will prefer the former to the later.
The author is effecting a denial of the implicit argument of the "post truth" panic, which is that it is important that the public have a high quality and cheap information source.
It's not utterly unreasonable to argue against an assumed premise such as this but it would've been nice if they had been a bit clearer about it.
That's quite some hand-waving. If news organizations (like newspapers) give away their content for free, they lay off staff. We know this because we've seen it happen in newsrooms around the country as Craigslist dried up newspapers' primary source of revenue.
So this seems either false or completely irrelevant to the topic at hand: "I happen to believe that in most areas of creative work, and in most adjacent industries, giving more away for $0 online would improve outcomes for most players, overall."
My view of work is that you can be paid in 4 ways:
1. Paid in cash.
2. Paid in power.
3. Paid in social status.
4. Paid in deferred career benefit.
Because of the reach of content with the internet, the pay in categories 2 and 4 has gone up. It depends on what you do, but pay in category 3 may also have increased. Unsurprisingly the cash pay is going to decline.
In my own case, I write a fair bit. I gain career benefits. I gain contacts from Hacker News as I write under my own name. There are friends who find it cool that I am published on Stack Overflow. I have a regular software engineering job, so the money now is not a priority.
Eventually most content creation is just going to be supported by people doing other things to earn a living. Only deep investigative journalism would require someone to earn a full time living doing it.
I think you might have missed a fifth: paid with passion.
Whether it nets as much long-term happiness or food in your mouth is free to debate, but I think a lot of people are just content with the idea of creating something they wanted.
I think you see this a lot in OSS (linux, git, gnu) as well as e.g. the video games industry.
I don't think it's a particularly sustainable way to get paid, but it can exit into the other 4 you mentioned.
> Eventually most content creation is just going to be supported by people doing other things to earn a living.
That's fine for many types of content, but do we really want world news and investigative journalism to be done exclusively by amateurs with no resources?
It's annoying that the author takes the original article about paywalls by Nathan Robinson so literally at some points.
For example, the Robinson wrote "Creators must be compensated well. But at the same time we have to try to keep things that are important and profound from getting locked away where few people will see them." To which the commenter replied "None of the above is true." Then explains that only some creators and some works should be compensated well. As if it wasn't clear that the Robinson was referring to creators and works that he felt was of value.
In rebuttal, he only provides his opinion that "I happen to believe that in most areas of creative work, and in most adjacent industries, giving more away for $0 online would improve outcomes for most players, overall." without any evidence that is the case for journalism (or even software for that matter). Not even a weak "logical" argument.
Perhaps he's right, perhaps he's not. I don't know, it it's annoying that this response has somehow hit #2 on HN. It's as weak as this post :-)
Picking quotes as I did does lend to an impression of nitpicking literalism. But to quote myself now, my point was at a higher level than refuting factual assertions:
> ... the problem here is evident: black-and-white, either-or thinking.
If you put the problem in terms of creators needing to be well paid, on the one hand, and their creations needing to be free and universally accessible, on the other, you've set yourself up a zero-sum cage match. The first quote I pulled from Nathan was more nuanced than that, lamenting paywalls but accepting them, because "it's complicated". The second quote I pulled, from the end of Nathan's piece, puts things more absolutely, leaving less hope.
If the problem is being stuck between the rock of creator comp and the hard place of free, universal access, the solution is recognizing that neither of those is absolute, immovable, or perfect. Not all creation requires or deserves compensation. Not all information needs be free and convenient to everyone.
If you stop thinking of open/closed and free/paid as toggle switches, and embrace that they're actually pretty fine-grained dials, it's no longer a war between creators and consumers, and there are lots of practical things to try. Find the optimum balance in the situation and over time. As I suggest:
> When the works we need or want come readily available at affordable costs that we can pay, and paying is easy, there’s no great harm to access or progress or truth. That cost many not be great. But if a great many pay it, the results can be.
To make that more concrete: I don't think I'd pay $10 a month for Current Affairs. But I'd darn sure pay $3. Or up to $10, scaling up with how many articles I read in a month. Perhaps on top of free access to an archive of articles more than a year old.
The author is generally in favour of free content and argues that it is good for both the consumer (as there is no hassle) and the content creator as there are other avenues for earning money.
I'm just as in favor of paid content as free. But I also think creators tend to see the free-paid and open-closed questions too black-or-white, and therefore err on the side of closing things too tightly or giving too much away. There are many, perhaps happier, middle ways.
The author is so very close to realizing that intellectual property is incoherent in the fact of information theory, and also that universal basic income is an essential component of a hyperwealthy neoliberal democracy. We could be a culture of creators, with every person having a relatively small but fluid audience who supplements their income and contributes to their work, but no starving artist dependent on their employer for their living wage.
As the slogan goes, "All of our grievances are connected: Eat the rich."
Intellectual property law is only coherent in the face of information. It's the property law of intangibles.
Economics didn't run up to the industrial revolution and stop. The book I cited, Slauter's Who Owns the News?, gives a great history of English law from before the Statute of Anne. For a view from the Internet era back, on an economics angle, Shapiro and Varian's Information Rules is a great read. For a more nuanced view from those who lean open, James Boyle's books are all worthwhile.
The author is, as it happens, an open-leaning intellectual property lawyer.
The author is dangerously close to realizing that all property rights are incoherent! Just take the contrapositive of your current position, and then keep going.
Economics still works fine. The funny thing, though, is that information doesn't behave like a typical good; it's only got marginal cost to duplicate, and is usually too cheap to meter, and every purchase adds a new seller to the market. Thus, it's kind of hard to even justify applying the economic question to information. Indeed, our societies are so drenched in information that we put price tags on tooling which can reduce, filter, aggregate, summarize, and otherwise lower the total number of bits of information within our control.
Any pragmatic and ethical intellectual property law regime must account for the practical truth that artists and scientists can only receive a full education by participating in an underground copyright-infringement movement which consists of private libraries, ad-hoc study sessions, thumb drives full of art and philosophy, and most recently Bittorrent and Sci-Hub. Our current law regime is completely out of touch with this reality, and fixing it will require drastically shortening the length of copyright, ending works-for-hire, and taking other big actions to destroy the media cartels.
You've given me the tech-exceptionalist party line circa 1999. I could've given you the same, way back then. Lessig. Drahos. Braithwaite. With more nuance, Boyle. Have you done any reading from the other side? I hadn't.
Valuable information that's easy to reproduce isn't a new phenomenon. See Who Owns the News?. Nor is it peculiar to digitally reproducible works today. See Rothman's The Right of Publicity. Both highly skeptical of many legal developments, but not doctrinaire or absolutist.
Digital technology didn't take the economic theory of property by surprise. See Information Rules, or even Landes and Posner's The Economic Structure of Intellectual Property Law. The latter goes light on software and the Internet, but covers all the same dimensions of marginal cost, prior work, and so on, in analysis of other domains. Cost savings with digital technology didn't break the theories or policy justifications. They just made analysis of certain combinations more valuable.
If I've guessed right, here comes the part where you lump me in with Disney, the Copyright Office, the IP Watchdog people, and other "IP maximalists". They lump me in with the pirates.
I wouldn't lump you with IP maximalists; I'd lump you with status-quo supporters. There is a way forward for our society, and your entire response is that I should read a book or two and think harder about my position. It's no different from when modern Democrats tell Democratic Socialists to shut up and eat doughnuts; I'm not going to mistake you for a Republican merely because you dislike socialism, but I am going to point out how little distance there is between the Republican and Democratic positions!
We need to halt the abuse of artists in our society. It is common, it is automated, and it is cruel. Ensnaring them in ever-more-complicated licensing schemes is not a substitute for a living wage, nor does it recognize that art fundamentally needs to be shared between people in order to be effective.
Legal technology, like all technology, is not culturally neutral. We choose how the law develops by how we practice and observe it. We are obligated to construct societies whose laws are not just moral, but ethical, and which dole out a portion of justice to everybody under their ambit. Your attitude that supporting UBI and tearing down copyright is so "circa 1999" and thus somehow tired and outdated is ridiculous. What's so new that's replaced this position? You offer only compromise with the existing system, rather than a hope for an improvement.
The working artists, designers, and other creators I know, and no few I've worked with, don't want to abolish the legal regime set up to ensure them compensation. They don't want to trade what leverage they have for the dole, or for "universal basic income", which is much the same when you'd qualify for either. I've heard and read much the same from their guilds and industry groups.
That doesn't mean the status quo. Many would reform or replace fair use and add orphan-work safe harbors. Others would make copyright protection entirely opt-in, as before Berne. Some would expand "moral rights", or implement them where they haven't been. Others want commonly negotiated terms, like portfolio rights for works made for hire, made defaults, under law. Views on term of protection vary.
There's nothing terribly tired about arguing for copyright abolition, other than that we've heard it for decades now, and political prospects might be worse now than they were then. What is tired is portraying intellectual property as standing on no firm policy foundation, especially no economic foundation. Activists have been making a straw man of economic theory, pretending it got as far as 19th century industrial considerations and stopped, since the nascent years of Internet exceptionalism. The idea that low or no marginal cost of reproduction totally confounds public policy underlying property protection is emblematic. Low marginal cost of reproduction didn't begin with the Internet. It occurred to economists discussing intellectual property, and was well integrated by them, generations before.
Being rich inherently gives one a voice, being right does not. If the truth is inconvenient to the rich then it will face an uphill battle against the well funded lies.