> If you plot those values on the matrix of conventional US politics, there appears to be a contradiction: The tech elite want an activist government, but they don’t want the government actively restricting them.
Fringes aside, I think that sums up everybody. The difference is that most regulation doesn’t directly impact the average Joe.
"Everybody" is overstating it. Many see think the opposite of "activist" isn't "inactive" but "prudent and principled".
Nobody disputes that government should be enforcing peace, contracts, providing defense, etc. That sort of thing is necessary and prudent. But the enforcement needs to happen fairly and according to clear rules. The enforcers need to be accountable. And often the citizen needs more than just a ballot box to push back on corrupt government.
To bring it back to tech, rules are not evenly written, let alone enforced. Why is electronic mail treated differently than mail? Why are hosts pressured to drop horrible people from their customer lists, but not phone companies? Why is it OK for tech companies to keep records for government consumption, but not car dealers, libraries, supermarkets, etc.?
Seems to me a lot of people who support a regulation will be doing what the regulation calls for anyway - so they'll be subject to it, but it'll have no impact.
If I support banning alcohol, I probably don't drink alcohol myself. Hell, it'd be pretty hypocritical if I did.
(There are exceptions, of course - if I supported changing the side of the road we drive on, I'd wait for a change of law before acting on my beliefs!)
I think that sums up everybody that doesn't understand how effective governments work. Regulations are an intrinsic part of them and the libertarians know that. That's why they're against them. It's a lot easier to create tax loopholes when you don't have thousands of regulations to worry about.
Libertarians don't want to pay taxes in the first place because they believe they can buy equivalent or better service for the same price or cheaper on the free market and stop overpaying for services that are useless or actively harmful, like e.g. most of FDA regulation, zoning, building codes, etc. How does that relate to tax loopholes at all?
From an American point of view the word "liberal" and "public healthcare" work together? From a German perspective that's the opposite area. In the traditional German system we would call that "left". But now that the "right" is growing again, an objective observer will notice that they, too, are interest in a strong social system as core of a internally strong government policy.
Only very few Germans would call themselves "libertarian", so for an international discussion it would probably also be good to hear your distinction between liberal and libertarian.
OP was referencing Liberalism as a political movement in the UK[1]. This grew as a left of centre party in opposition to the right-of-centre Tories and was formed with the idea of changing traditional values and practices (such as limiting the power of the monarch).
"Classical liberals were committed to individualism, liberty and equal rights". There beliefs in no way had a problem with public healthcare, but would have issues with curtailing free speech, or a curtailing of free enterprise. Today I think a classic liberal would be in the centre of the political spectrum.
Libertarianism seems to lack some of the contradictions that liberlism seems to suffer from (freedom and equality will at some point exclude themselves)
Still, since Liberalism tries to find a balance in its inherent values, Libertarianism seems to be dogmatic without any further depth. Dreamy technocrats or wishful anarchists, who would get angry if labeled as such.
The US is indeed different here, but I would stand to my opinion, that Liberals generally have far more thought-provoking arguments.
What causes confusion is that both the Democrats and Republicans descend from the Enlightenment political philosophy called Liberalism - the same is true of Labour and Tories.
I didn't completely grasp this for a very long time despite understanding 'American Liberals' were not the same as 'Classical Liberals' - it's not intuitive.
To prevent confusion the etymology is the same as the word "Christian". Both Catholics and Protestants are Christians. Sometimes one will claim to be more 'Christian' than the other but that is beside the point: to a non-Westerner they're the same group. The same is true of the word "Liberal". Democrat Liberals, Progressives, Conservatives, Republicans, Libertarians - these are all species of Liberal.
What this means may be found controversial by some people.
This would mean in the West, or at least in the Anglosphere political authority is typically wielded by two competing variants of the same political philosophy.
I find this interesting because that is not at all what is advertised.
For years I thought the differences between China's One Party State and the West were plain to see but now I think the distinction is less obvious. Going back to my Christianity analogy, it may be an argument over The Holy Trinity - both completely different and also the same simultaneously.
Is the West a Two Party System with one faction? Is China a One Party System with multiple factions? If so what's the real difference or is there a real difference?
There's a strange perspective distortion where the differences are either enormous or minor but it's hard to tell which - I speculate that metapolitics has a Lovecraftian quality to it where it might not be possible to understand without going insane. :)
The west has always been open about having a single political philosophy. We fought an entire cold war to make sure that capitalism beet communism. Even today, the west is still openly democratic, and desires to support that political view globally (not as much as it desires stability and wealth, but all else equal, it will support the democratic option)
In the US, liberal and libertarian refer to opposite ends of the spectrum. Libertarian is the same as a “classical liberal” (what you might think of when you hear the word) and liberal means something left of moderate. Ex: Barak Obama is a liberal, Ron Paul is a libertarian.
I always thought libertarians were a mix between conservative and liberal, because they opposed progressivism sometimes (when it involved spending money and regulating anybody) and supported it whenever it involved abolishing regulations.
Fringes aside, I think that sums up everybody. The difference is that most regulation doesn’t directly impact the average Joe.